2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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TerraN_EmpirE

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it's not really exploration anymore the last "Space Exploration" Missions are run by Probes and Drones like Yutu. the majority of launches are Communications, surveillance, GPS navigation, and missile warning satellites with a few commercial global imaging birds to boot.
IT's not too of topic though if we are disguising the boosters in regard to reaction to sanction
 
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Equation

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Russia's ongoing feud with the United States has hit new heights — literally. In retaliation for the sanctions the U.S. imposed on Russia during the Ukraine crisis, the country said it won't allow the U.S. use the International Space Station after 2020.

The measures, which were announced today by Russia's deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin, also prohibit the U.S. from using the ISS's rocket engines to launch new satellites. Although the space station is manned by a Russian and American crew, the only way to reach it is by using Russia's Soyuz spaceships.

The U.S. had hoped to keep the aging ISS floating until 2024. Rogozin said after 2020, Russia will likely pull its money from the space station and move it to a "project with more prospects." Rogozin also slammed NASA for drastically scaling back its space exploration projects in recent years. "The Russian segment can exist independently from the American one," he said. "The U.S. one cannot." - - Jordan Valinsky

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2020? By that time Space X or NASA Orion program would be ready to launch astronauts by than.;)
 

Miragedriver

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Ukraine 'as close to a civil war as you can get', says Sergei Lavrov

Russia's foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, states that Ukraine 'is as close to a civil war as you can get', and free and fair elections will not be held


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Kurt

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SampanViking, you may confront your theory with what's here:
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(google-translate should work; a Czech eye-witness (somebody who was in Odessa on May 2) confirms the pictures are authentic, he's taken similar by himself -- this discomforted some people on a Czech leftist server heheh). You may even tell us if you still think that firearms were used by the members of a protective detail of a local politician ...

Sorry for necroposting. You can discern two armed groups with clear distinctions.

There is the Russian militia with Russian flags on helmets and hexagonal wooden shields. They wear also medieval armour. Reenactment in Eastern Europe has been a very violent and dangerous trashing during previous years. Seems like it was training for shield wall combat with other groups and not "reenacting" a period.

The other group wears orange helmets and has rectangular shields, a few of these are wooden, but most are metal and many of the same construction as police shields. Seems like someone handed them over supplies. A few metal shields are special construction with big holes just on the upper end and not on the lower, making them unlike police shields. These also appeared during the protests in Kiev and seem a special manufacture for the unfolding events.
All firearms depicted not as part of the police do belong to the orange helmet faction that poses with these in Spetsnaz T-shirts, despite being not having the trained bodies of such soldiers.

Looking at the age range, orange helmet faction is not depicted as composed just of youngsters, unlike hexagonal shield faction.
The police is depicted in attempts to communicate with both groups.
One image shows that the police was possibly few in numbers and not very respected and neutralized with garbage boxes.
The depicted march is under Ukrainian colours of blue and yellow, includes women that are not depicted among the guys with shields, but there are women picking up stones.

It seems clear to me that both sides knew each other's shield pattern and adapted theirs for an envisioned confrontation. The pro-Ukrainian protest march under the colours seems genuine with the pro-Ukrainian militia force intent on coming to grips with the group of pro-Russian youngsters that possibly got some shield wall training from reenactors. This pro-Ukrainian militia force worries me, they are simply too old to play knights, they openly carry firearms and they have Spetsnaz T-shirts (blue-white narrow stripes).
You do not buy a Spetsnaz T-shirt and pose in it with a gun as part of protests if you believe in democracy. Orange construction hemets, shields and clubs are OK for defending your march column during these times, but guns?

It is possible that a local politician did indeed have trained bodyguards with guns, who reacted under the impression of a threat. Professional bodyguards do not pose with their guns, unlike our "Spetsnaz" friends.
 
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Mr T

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@ Legitimacy:
True, the current extremist regime might be replaced by a compromise interim government that will reorganize the Ukraine as a federation like Switzerland and will organize free and fair elections.

I don't see the current government as "extremist". They're offered talks, which have been rejected by the rebel leaders.

As for another interim government, there is no point and it would be up to the Rada anyway. There is nothing to suggest the presidential election this month will not be fair. And again, the rebel leaders have vowed to stop people in the areas they control taking part.

@ Counting votes:
...I was referring to the use of paper ballots...

One of the rebel leaders gave some statistics that would have resulted in turnout of over 100%. Clearly they were making things up.

@Steinmeier
However low your opinion of Frank-Walter Steinmeier he was also talking in name of the Bundeskanzlerin, the only states(wo)man in the EU.

He has the right to express his own views when he's not expressing policy. He isn't Merkel's puppet, especially given he's not CDU and she can't afford to dump him easily.

@Fines:
Violating contractual obligations will result in serious sanctions against the guilty party and do great damage the reputation of the offender.

I'm sorry, let's start again. I said how would Russia make France pay. You quoted the German FM on the effect of sanctions. I pointed out that wasn't relevant.

So let's start again, how would Russia make France pay if it cancelled the contract.
 
Sorry for necroposting. You can discern two armed groups with clear distinctions.

There is the Russian militia with Russian flags on helmets and hexagonal wooden shields. They wear also medieval armour. Reenactment in Eastern Europe has been a very violent and dangerous trashing during previous years. Seems like it was training for shield wall combat with other groups and not "reenacting" a period.

The other group wears orange helmets and has rectangular shields, a few of these are wooden, but most are metal and many of the same construction as police shields. Seems like someone handed them over supplies. A few metal shields are special construction with big holes just on the upper end and not on the lower, making them unlike police shields. These also appeared during the protests in Kiev and seem a special manufacture for the unfolding events.
All firearms depicted not as part of the police do belong to the orange helmet faction that poses with these in Spetsnaz T-shirts, despite being not having the trained bodies of such soldiers.

Looking at the age range, orange helmet faction is not depicted as composed just of youngsters, unlike hexagonal shield faction.
The police is depicted in attempts to communicate with both groups.
One image shows that the police was possibly few in numbers and not very respected and neutralized with garbage boxes.
The depicted march is under Ukrainian colours of blue and yellow, includes women that are not depicted among the guys with shields, but there are women picking up stones.

It seems clear to me that both sides knew each other's shield pattern and adapted theirs for an envisioned confrontation. The pro-Ukrainian protest march under the colours seems genuine with the pro-Ukrainian militia force intent on coming to grips with the group of pro-Russian youngsters that possibly got some shield wall training from reenactors. This pro-Ukrainian militia force worries me, they are simply too old to play knights, they openly carry firearms and they have Spetsnaz T-shirts (blue-white narrow stripes).
You do not buy a Spetsnaz T-shirt and pose in it with a gun as part of protests if you believe in democracy. Orange construction hemets, shields and clubs are OK for defending your march column during these times, but guns?

It is possible that a local politician did indeed have trained bodyguards with guns, who reacted under the impression of a threat. Professional bodyguards do not pose with their guns, unlike our "Spetsnaz" friends.

Kurt, to me, your post is confusing as usual :) so I might misunderstood you, but look:
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and now I'll quote you:

There is the Russian militia with Russian flags on helmets and hexagonal wooden shields.

This seems to be true, while that picture seems to confirm what the blogger says (by the way, did you read the captions, Kurt?), which is the pro-Russian force collaborated with the Police. But again, I don't know what happened in Odessa on May 2, and I don't defend alleged Fascist nor alleged Anti-Fascist.
 

texx1

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US taxpayers' bailout of Ukraine continues as Ukraine issues 1 billion 5-year notes at a stunning low interest of only 28 basis point higher than US treasury, much lower than rates in the public market or from IMF. The reason for low interest is that notes are guaranteed by the US Agency for International Development/US taxpayers.

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delft

Brigadier
I don't see the current government as "extremist". They're offered talks, which have been rejected by the rebel leaders.

As for another interim government, there is no point and it would be up to the Rada anyway. There is nothing to suggest the presidential election this month will not be fair. And again, the rebel leaders have vowed to stop people in the areas they control taking part.
This "government" needs the support of people who celebrated the founding of the SS division Galizian which makes them an enemy of many more people than those fascists. The regime was selected by Victoria Nuland who thought according to her phone call with the US ambassador in Kiev, and clearly correctly, that she had the power to do so.

One of the rebel leaders gave some statistics that would have resulted in turnout of over 100%. Clearly they were making things up.
The correspondent of my paper didn't mention that. The time between closing the voting bureaus and giving preliminary results was not unduly short.
He has the right to express his own views when he's not expressing policy. He isn't Merkel's puppet, especially given he's not CDU and she can't afford to dump him easily.
A minister is always in function. He has to speak in name of the government or keep quiet.

I'm sorry, let's start again. I said how would Russia make France pay. You quoted the German FM on the effect of sanctions. I pointed out that wasn't relevant.
So let's start again, how would Russia make France pay if it cancelled the contract.
France would lose a court case. Sanctions against France and not against other EU countries would do much more damage to France than than to Russia. Mutual sanctions between Russia and the EU countries would do more damage to the EU countries than to Russia, according to Steinmeier. And last, France would show itself to be an unreliable trading partner - to all countries in the World.
 

advill

Junior Member
When a "Revolt" starts there will be continued mayhem with revenge & dire sufferings the outcome. Aggressive groups, gangsters and even mercenaries will be used to do the dirty work of the corrupt politicians, provocateurs and regional expansionists. The situation becomes highly complex where the right & wrong actions can be "blurred". Hopefully, hostilities will not spread into Eastern Europe. The Middle East continues with sectarian fighting, and so far no lessons have been learnt by parties concerned. Looks like conflicts are also in the offing in East and South-East Asian Territorial waters. God help us!



Just as you think that the Pro Maidan mob cannot sink any lower

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In Lvov, 09.05.14 they attack buses carrying the elderly WW2 veterans and their families to Victory Day parade and celebrations
 
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