Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

solarz

Brigadier
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Color me skeptical.

This latest announcment by Malaysia, IMHO, is premature. It's almost like they want it to just go away.

Yes, it really does sound like a cop-out response.
 
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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I liked the comment from someone I saw being interviewed on TV. He said the Malaysians made the announcement just to get the families of the passengers to go back home.
 

shen

Senior Member
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

reading between the lines, it is likely that Malaysia finally got confirmation from the Australians that a radar track from the JORN network match the flight path of MH370 based on the pings. What they know now is the MH370 definitely took the southern path, and the flight path ended in the middle of nowhere.

This is the coverage of Australian JORN radar network.
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If it can't track a Boeing 777 size target, this multi-billion dollars network is really useless.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Color me skeptical.

This latest announcment by Malaysia, IMHO, is premature. It's almost like they want it to just go away.

Until they have physically recovered pieces of the aircraft from the Southern Indian Ocean, it is all based on conjecture and analysis of sat images.

For me, that is not enough. If they find acutal pieces of the aircraft there...that will be significant confirmation of this theory...particularly if they recover the black boxes, which in any case is going to be an almost impossible task until they can recover pieces and then back track their driing to somethiong close to where the aircraft went down...and with all of the storms down there, that will be monumental. But none of that can happen until they have an actual piece of the airplane.

IMHO, we are still not at all surew what happened to this aircraft. IMHO there is really zero possibility (or so close to it that it would be impossible to distinguish the difference) that these people are still alive. I just do not believe we know for sure yet that it went down where the Malyasians are now confirming that it did.

They're still continuing the search. The authorities have to announce the findings, otherwise they'll be accused of withholding information.


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Published: Monday March 24, 2014 MYT 11:28:00 PM
Updated: Monday March 24, 2014 MYT 11:53:16 PM
MH370 crash: MAS tells families it will keep searching for jet

KUALA LUMPUR: Malaysia Airlines on Monday told relatives of the 239 people on board a missing passenger jet that "we have to assume" the plane went down in the southern Indian Ocean, but vowed the search for the jet would continue.


"Malaysia Airlines deeply regrets that we have to assume that MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean," the airline said in a statement to the families, citing new analysis of satellite data.

"On behalf of all of us at Malaysia Airlines and all Malaysians, our prayers go out to all the loved ones (of those on board) at this enormously painful time," the statement continued.



"We know there are no words that we or anyone else can say which can ease your pain. We will continue to provide assistance and support to you."

The airline vowed in its statement that the ongoing search for the plane and an intensive investigation into its fate "will continue, as we seek answers to the questions which remain".

The statement echoed the words of Malaysian Prime Minister Datuk Seri Najib Razak, who - also citing satellite data - told a press conference in Kuala Lumpur late Monday: "It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean."

MH370 vanished without warning on March 8 while flying over the South China Sea en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board.

Malaysia believes the plane was deliberately diverted by someone on board. But the absence of firm evidence has fuelled intense speculation and conspiracy theories, and tormented the families of the missing for 16 days.

The search swung deep into the Indian Ocean last week after initial satellite images depicted large floating objects there, and further sightings of possible debris in the area energised the massive, multinational operation.

It has not yet been confirmed that the debris spotted in the area is from MH370, and officials have voiced caution. It is also still unclear why the plane ended up so far off course over the southern Indian Ocean. - AFP
 
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Jeff Head

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Registered Member
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

They're still continuing the search. The authorities have to announce the findings, otherwise they'll be accused of withholding information.
Announcing that they have the findings of a brand new analysis that indicates something would have been an appropriate announcement. That would have been far different that an annoucment of a confirmation that the aircraft definitely crashed into the southern Indian Ocean.

I listened to the annoucement at lunch...they are saying that the plane defintily crashed there.

I think that type of definitive statement is too premature.

Once they have debris that is confirmed as coming from that aircraft, IMHO, then would be the time for that type of statement.
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

No offense intended to anyone, but the pilot suicide theory simply makes no sense.

People who commit suicide tend to leave a note. If they just want to disappear off the face of the earth without anyone noticing, hijacking a plane with over 200 people seems decidedly counter productive.

Similarly, if the pilot wanted to go out with as much impact as possible, flying the plane to the middle of nowhere, where it might never be found also seems calculated to do the exact opposit of what he intended.

If it was pilot suicide, flying the plane for 7 hours seems like a pretty pointless risk as that gives the rest of the crew and passengers ample time to break into the cockpit and stop him.

If it was pilot suicide, the most, and IMHO, only plausible course of action the pilot could have taken was to either pitch the plane nose first into an uncontrollable drive into the Ocean along the plane's original flight path to minimise the chances of anyone being able to stop him. Or wait until he was over a major city and then crashing the plane into a major landmark or large building for maximum carnage and impact.

In either case, I would have expected some sort of suicide note or video, because you have to be incredible narcissistic to want over 200 people to die with you when you commit suicide, risking not getting the 'credit' for such an act just seems totally out of character.

If we were to apply Occam's Razor to the bear facts, assuming the plane really did go down where everyone is now thinking it did, then the obvious explanation for why someone would want to ditch the plane in such a remote area, so far from its original flight path and any plausible destination would be if whoever did it does not want the plane to ever be found.

Call me biased, but I think that if the plane did go down between Australia and Antarctic, it adds more credence to my earlier theory that the plane was taken to stop someone, or something from reaching Beijing, and making the plane disappear was intended to cover up the theft or abduction.

If the plane indeed went East rather than West as originally thought, that makes it far more likely that this was done by a state level organisation rather than a private criminal enterprise since whoever took the plane, assuming they wanted to live, would have needed to bail out over water rather than land. Which requires far greater skill and co-ordination to have a ship waiting close enough to pick them up afterwards.

Now, I know full well that that theory is opens me up to all sorts of tinfoil hat jibes, but that's the direction all the clues are pointing me towards, and I'm not going to ignore what my gut tells me just because the conclusion is a little out there. If anyone disagrees, please feel free to point to any holes or flaws in my chain of thought.
 
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

No offense intended to anyone, but the pilot suicide theory simply makes no sense.

People who commit suicide tend to leave a note. If they just want to disappear off the face of the earth without anyone noticing, hijacking a plane with over 200 people seems decidedly counter productive.

Similarly, if the pilot wanted to go out with as much impact as possible, flying the plane to the middle of nowhere, where it might never be found also seems calculated to do the exact opposit of what he intended.

If it was pilot suicide, flying the plane for 7 hours seems like a pretty pointless risk as that gives the rest of the crew and passengers ample time to break into the cockpit and stop him.

If it was pilot suicide, the most, and IMHO, only plausible course of action the pilot could have taken was to either pitch the plane nose first into an uncontrollable drive into the Ocean along the plane's original flight path to minimise the chances of anyone being able to stop him. Or wait until he was over a major city and then crashing the plane into a major landmark or large building for maximum carnage and impact.

In either case, I would have expected some sort of suicide note or video, because you have to be incredible narcissistic to want over 200 people to die with you when you commit suicide, risking not getting the 'credit' for such an act just seems totally out of character.

If we were to apply Occam's Razor to the bear facts, assuming the plane really did go down where everyone is now thinking it did, then the obvious explanation for why someone would want to ditch the plane in such a remote area, so far from its original flight path and any plausible destination would be if whoever did it does not want the plane to ever be found.

Call me biased, but I think that if the plane did go down between Australia and Antarctic, it adds more credence to my earlier theory that the plane was taken to stop someone, or something from reaching Beijing, and making the plane disappear was intended to cover up the theft or abduction.

If the plane indeed went East rather than West as originally thought, that makes it far more likely that this was done by a state level organisation rather than a private criminal enterprise since whoever took the plane, assuming they wanted to live, would have needed to bail out over water rather than land. Which requires far greater skill and co-ordination to have a ship waiting close enough to pick them up afterwards.

Now, I know full well that that theory is opens me up to all sorts of tinfoil hat jibes, but that's the direction all the clues are pointing me towards, and I'm not going to ignore what my gut tells me just because the conclusion is a little out there. If anyone disagrees, please feel free to point to any holes or flaws in my chain of thought.

I am very much against conspiracy theories but I must agree that conspiracies are plausible in this case as long as any of the following remains true:
1) the wreckage is not found
2) the bodies are not found
3) the flight data from the plane after it diverged from its original route is not found
4) any explanation for how this happened is not backed up by solid evidence verifiable by third parties

There is at a minimum inadequate procedures and/or incompetence with the Malaysian military because how can an unidentified flying airliner-sized object be allowed to fly through their territory freely? Don't forget that the largest nationality group on the flight behind the Chinese are the Malaysians.

Somewhere out there is a theory that maybe the plane was electronically hijacked. I think this is plausible.
 

Kurt

Junior Member
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I agree mostly with plawulf, let's get some tin foil hats.
When the German diplomatic Tu-144 crashed in the South Atlantic after collision with another aircraft, it were the French, who brought the necessary equipment to retrieve the black box from the bottom of the sea. Germany at this time lacked the capabilities to do that.

This is one example to highlight how a crash far out at sea limits the number of actors capable of retrieving information. I have doubts that China has the technology to contribute much to the retrieval effort, but they are very active and do their utmost. This event can serve to highlight useful applications of blue water naval capabilities. These go beyond going somewhere and roughing up green water navies, but can be defined as the ability to maintain sea lines of communication away from shore. These sea lines of communication are ships, underwater cables (where the French have a large market segment) and aircrafts flying over sea. Part of the maintenance are SAR, retrieval of objects, repairs and espionage.

It is odd that Vietnam has an active air control, while the Australian counterpart stays silent and just observes on radar a large aircraft on unscheduled flight to the Antarctic. To go to the wreckage area from the last point of contact in the South China Sea, one has to pass Malaysian and Indonesian airspace. So these have zero radar observation of what is going on in their airspace?
 
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plawolf

Lieutenant General
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I am very much against conspiracy theories but I must agree that conspiracies are plausible in this case as long as any of the following remains true:
1) the wreckage is not found
2) the bodies are not found
3) the flight data from the plane after it diverged from its original route is not found
4) any explanation for how this happened is not backed up by solid evidence verifiable by third parties

There is at a minimum inadequate procedures and/or incompetence with the Malaysian military because how can an unidentified flying airliner-sized object be allowed to fly through their territory freely? Don't forget that the largest nationality group on the flight behind the Chinese are the Malaysians.

Somewhere out there is a theory that maybe the plane was electronically hijacked. I think this is plausible.

To paraphrase a Bond villain, the key to a story is not the who or the where or the how, but the why. Electronically hijacking the plane may be possible, but why would anyone do it just to fly it to the middle of nowhere? If you cannot come up with a good explanation for why someone would want to do something, odds are the theory is wrong since no one does something of this magnitude and sophistication without a damn good reason.

Just to throw another thought into the mix, if this was a planned operation, the planners cannot rely on sheer incompetence from Malaysian, Indonesian and Australian air traffic control and military radar operators to not spot something serious amiss with a jumbo jet going way off course and performing extremely unusual manoeuvres and sending fighters to investigate.

Rather than all those countries' air defences all being utterly worthless and not being able to detect a 777 sized UFO, what if some outside actor hacked into their radar networks and obscured the contact from the radar operators? It would explain how the plane managed to go so far off course without anyone noticing at the time and raising an alarm, and may also explain why some nations are being so very cagey with information, as well as why everything seems to take so long to be verified.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

I am very much against conspiracy theories but I must agree that conspiracies are plausible in this case as long as any of the following remains true:
1) the wreckage is not found
2) the bodies are not found
3) the flight data from the plane after it diverged from its original route is not found
4) any explanation for how this happened is not backed up by solid evidence verifiable by third parties

There is at a minimum inadequate procedures and/or incompetence with the Malaysian military because how can an unidentified flying airliner-sized object be allowed to fly through their territory freely? Don't forget that the largest nationality group on the flight behind the Chinese are the Malaysians.

Somewhere out there is a theory that maybe the plane was electronically hijacked. I think this is plausible.

even if we get all of your list conspiracy theories will continue. As will other theories and opinions. From electrical failure leading to lost pilots pointing the plane in a random direction to grey men engaged in nefarious acts.
 
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