2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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delft

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The issue here delft is that two wrong don't make a right, I am not supporting the actions of US on Libya or Iraq and not supporting Russia for standing by Assad what is wrong is wrong

You deport all the ethnic people and send in Russians and hold a referredum and say its your territory?

That's like Scotland saying the Inner and Outer Hebrides belong to Scotland and we justify that by settling in Scots and displacing the natives and holding a referendum in like 2 days change the currency change even the national time and language and say right guys this is our peice of land

This is not 19th century where you can plant a flag and claim a territory it's 2014 and this type of behaviour by a permanent security council member is not acceptable

US likes to be the policeman when it's suites them I bet Ronald Reagon won't stand for this back in the days neither would Jimmy Carter

Bush let Putin away with Georgia and Obama let Putin away with Syria and now paid a bigger price by letting Crimea slip, man we are talking about Crimea here it's a important place it belongs to Ukraine!
Russia conquered the Crimean Khanate in 1783 and established its naval base in Sevastopol.That base was the main target in the Crimean War ( 1853-56 ) and even at that time there were probably more Russians living in the Crimea than Tatars. It has been formally part of the Ukraine for only some sixty years.

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As for the conduct of permanent members of the Security Council there is one who did more in killing hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq and Afghanistan, in assassinating people in Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia and other countries so the 21th century is not so much better than the 19th.
As far as Scotland is concerned the Scots came in around the year 800 from Ireland around the time the Vikings took over the Hebrides. Those islands were taken by the Scots very much later.
 

solarz

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That this data showed should be suspicious for anyone with calculator in his hand and brain in his head, that's all.

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The 58% statistic you mentioned came from a 2001 census. Don't you think things have changed in the last 13 years?

Furthermore, the same census says 77% of Crimean inhabitants speak Russian as their native language. Therefore, there is obviously a considerable number of ethnic Ukrainians who speak Russian as their mother-tongue. The lines of ethnic loyalty are not so clearly divided as Western media portrays it.

Most importantly, however, you are making the assumption that votes would be split along ethnic lines. In reality, the Crimeans were going to vote for whoever they feel would make their lives better:

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What makes you think Ukrainian Crimeans would not have supported Russian annexation if it means getting better pensions and other social benefits?
 
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Piotr

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Treaty to accept Crimea, Sevastopol to Russian Federation signed.
Russia and Crimea have signed treaty of accession of the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol in the Russian Federation following President Putin’s address to the Parliament.

Russia’s President Vladimir Putin requests parliament to ratify the agreement that would see both Crimea and the city of Sevastopol joining Russia.

“I ask you to consider the adoption of two new subjects of the Federation: Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol,” Putin told Parliamentarians.
Crimea was represented by Prime Minister Sergey Aksenov and Sevastopol mayor Aleksey Chaly, who signed the treaty. The two were accompanied by Crimean top official Vladimir Konstantinov.

“Since the adoption of the Russian Federation Republic of Crimea in structure of the Russian Federation two new entities - of the Republic of Crimea and the city of Federal importance Sevastopol – have been created,” the text of the treaty reads.

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So after 60 years Crimea goes back to Russia.
 

Maggern

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I would like to congratulate Moscow on regaining control of Crimea a mere twenty years after they lost it.

I would also like to congratulate Russia on being the first major power to annex new territory since...what? WW2?

Also congratulating Russia on making every map of Europe in existence suddenly out-dated. I guess it was about time we stopped blaming the former Yugoslavia for forcing us to make new maps.
 

Franklin

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Here is the otherside of the coin. Ukraine is mobilizing its reserves.

Ukraine mobilizes reservists but relies on diplomacy

KIEV, Ukraine — Ukraine’s government mobilized reservists and approved an emergency military buildup a day after the disputed province of Crimea voted to secede from the country and become part of Russia.

But with its armed forces woefully ill-trained and poorly equipped after years of underfunding, a frustrated Ukraine continued to focus on diplomacy first.

The United States and European nations announced sanctions against Russian officials over Crimea's vote to break away from Ukraine. The Post's Douglas Jehl, Scott Wilson, and Anne Gearan explain the implications.

Political leaders here hurled harsh words at Moscow and refused to give up Crimea as lost. But even as the government in Kiev took steps to shore up national defenses, it renewed calls for a diplomatic solution. Amid concerns about possible further Russian intervention in Ukraine’s restive east and south, Kiev hoped for the best — *progress in efforts to resolve the crisis — while also preparing for the worst.

Parliament approved a presidential decree mobilizing some of the country’s 40,000 reservists and agreed to divert $600 million from other parts of Ukraine’s budget to buy weapons, repair equipment and boost training over the next three months — a major commitment for a cash-strapped country.

At least some reservists will be deployed in the coming days and weeks in the newly formed national guard to protect sites categorized as “strategic” and could be used as peacekeepers at volatile protests in eastern cities such as Kharkiv and Donetsk, where clashes between pro-
Russian and pro-Kiev activists have left three dead and dozens wounded in recent days.

Yet the challenge ahead for Ukraine was clear Monday at a military base in Novi Petrivtsi, near Kiev, where hundreds of the first recruits for the new national guard marched back and forth between training exercises. The earnest men — some teenagers, others approaching 50 — are meant to beef up the defenses of a nation where only a fraction of the 130,000-strong military is considered combat-ready.

In a worst-case scenario — a major military incursion by Russia into mainland Ukraine — some of those men could find themselves on the front lines. Some — engineers and students, college professors and factory workers — seemed wildly out of place in uniform. They trained in the freezing rain Monday with equipment that was old when the Berlin Wall fell.

“The only time I’ve shot a gun was on a hunting trip,” said Grigoriev Ruslan, a 19-year-old training for deployment. He said he had tried to join the military earlier but had been rejected because of severe injures he had suffered in an auto accident.

“I arrived two days ago and haven’t had time to think about being scared yet,” Ruslan said. “We don’t want war, but we are prepared to do what we need to for our country. I will fight for Ukraine.”

At the same time, a sense of bitterness gripped some political leaders, who said they think the West has done too little to force Russia to retreat. They referred to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, in which the United States, Britain and Russia reaffirmed their commitment to Ukraine’s territorial sovereignty after the breakup of the Soviet Union and in which Kiev agreed to surrender its nuclear stockpile.

A wave of regret that Ukraine had given up its most powerful potential deterrent — nuclear weapons — has reverberated through Kiev in recent days. “I can tell you that had we kept them, Russia would never have entered Crimea,” said Anatoliy Hrytsenko, the Ukrainian defense minister from 2005 to 2007.

Like many here, he argued that Russia has violated the 1994 deal and that the West has an obligation to act more boldly than it has to protect Ukraine. He called for U.S. and European warships and aircraft to be re*located to the region in an unequivocal show of force. He chided leaders in Western Europe and Washington for interpreting the deal as a general commitment for unspecified support rather than as a document with the weight of a mutual defense treaty.

What the West “fails to realize is that this is not just Crimea,” Hrytsenko said. “Do you think Russia will stop there? And how do you think such weakness will be seen in Iran and Syria? This is a question of global credibility.”

Others were more cautious in their remarks. Officials here have made requests for Washington to sell Ukraine the weapons and military equipment it needs to update an arsenal in woeful condition. But asked Monday whether such sales should go forward after Sunday’s referendum in Crimea, Vitali Klitschko, a politician and former boxing champion who is running for president, refrained from answering directly. “That is a very sensitive question,” he said.

The suggestion is that even as Ukraine seeks more leverage against Russia, it is trying to avoid provoking Moscow into taking further action. Klitschko added that there is no serious thought being given to cutting water, electricity or natural gas supplies to Crimea — a region Kiev still considers part of Ukraine despite Sunday’s vote.

But to the extent it can, Ukraine is remaining defiant.

With some of his troops on bases in Crimea surrounded by Russian forces, Defense Minister Ihor Tenyukh said Ukraine would not back down even as the potential separation of Crimea from the rest of Ukraine moves forward. He said there were no plans to abandon bases and installations in Crimea.

“Crimea is, was and will be our territory,” Tenyukh said.

A truce between the two sides is in place until March 21.

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Rutim

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What makes you think Ukrainian Crimeans would not have supported Russian annexation if it means getting better pensions and other social benefits?
What social benefits? If they would like better living standards they should vote for Turkey...
 
"very funny" France considers not arming the Russians:

the headline here
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says something like

Using the Mistrals, France Wants to Lure Putin to Negotiations

but the article doesn't say much, quotes this:
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Anybody who knows the French language please tell me what I need to know :)
 
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