2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Miragedriver

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Because an EU that is struggling to keep Ukraine afloat would be happy to offload some of that responsibility to the US, and the US would be happy to use that opportunity to lodge a good claim for permission to put NATO military installations, up to and incluing BMD, on Ukrainian soil.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but is there not a provision in the Ukrainian Constitution that prohibits foreign military installations on Ukrainian soil? Sevastopol in Crimea is exempt since it is considered a semi-autonomous region.
 

delft

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Because an EU that is struggling to keep Ukraine afloat would be happy to offload some of that responsibility to the US, and the US would be happy to use that opportunity to lodge a good claim for permission to put NATO military installations, up to and incluing BMD, on Ukrainian soil.
That would bring on a Cuba crisis type situation.
 

chuck731

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Someone please correct me if I’m wrong, but is there not a provision in the Ukrainian Constitution that prohibits foreign military installations on Ukrainian soil? Sevastopol in Crimea is exempt since it is considered a semi-autonomous region.


When the sound of Russian tanks are said to be heard in Kiev, who is going to raise any objection to having the reassuring trip wire of a NATO installation or two?
 
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asif iqbal

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Holding a referredum is not credible

Because the Soviet Union over the years deported all non-Russians to other parts of the Soviet Union so the vast majority of people in Crimea are now Russian

So you deport people send in your own and then call for a referredum? No that's not the way it works and is not a credible solution and means nothing
 

Blackstone

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John Kerry announced the US gives Russia till Monday (17 March) to "reverse course in Ukraine." Given Obama's track record with red lines in Syria, how serious do you suppose Putin will view the ultimatum? My guess is not so much

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John Kerry: Russia has until Monday to reverse course in Ukraine
BY SUSAN CRABTREE | MARCH 13, 2014 AT 1:11 PM

Secretary of State John Kerry pauses while testifying on Capitol Hill in Washington, Wednesday, March 12, 2014, before the House Appropriations subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs Budget hearing. Kerry sais he will travel to London to meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Friday in a last-ditch bid to avert a new crisis over Ukraine.

Kerry will travel to London for a Friday meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov ahead of a Sunday referendum vote in the Crimea region to secede from Ukraine and join the Russian Federation.

U.S. and European officials argue that Moscow is orchestrating the referendum and waging an intimidation campaign with thousands of Russian troops controlling the region. If Russian-backed lawmakers in Crimea go through with the Sunday referendum, Kerry said the U.S. and its European allies will not recognize it as legitimate under international law.

The U.S. and Europe on Monday would then unite to impose sanctions on Russia, Kerry told a Senate Appropriations subcommittee Thursday during a hearing on the State Department's budget.

“There will be a response of some kind to the referendum itself,” Kerry said. “If there is no sign [from Russia] of any capacity to respond to this issue ... there will be a very serious series of steps on Monday.”

“Our hope is to have Russia join in respecting international law. ... There is no justification, no legality to this referendum that is taking place,” he said. “The hope is that reason will prevail but there is no guarantee of that.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican and a top critic of President Obama's foreign policy, asked what the administration would do if Russian forces advance farther into the eastern area of Ukraine, and the new government in Kiev asks the U.S. for weapons to fight the Russians.

Kerry responded carefully, saying “we have contingencies – we are talking through various options that may or may not be available.”

“Our hope is not to create hysteria or excessive concern about that at this point in time,” he said. “Our hope is to avoid that, but there's no telling that we can.”

U.S. authorities are closely monitoring the number of Russian troops in Crimea, as well as their movements, he said, noting that Moscow is allowed to have a total of 25,000 troops in Crimea.

He said that currently Russia does not have the assets positioned to “march in and take over all of Ukraine but that could change and we recognize that.”

“I've been impressed on how united our European allies are on this… to a person, to a country, they are very, very committed to make sure there is accountability,” he said.

Sen. Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat who was chairing the hearing, asked how this showdown with Russia in Ukraine is impacting efforts to destroy Syria's chemical weapons stockpile.

When Obama threatened to make good on his red-line threat to Syrian leader Bashar Assad, Russia helped avert U.S. military strikes by offering to step in and negotiate arrangements to have Damascus destroy its chemical weapons.

Kerry said Russia had been helpful in pushing Syria on tighter deadlines for locating, moving and destroying its stockpile, but considering the crisis in Crimea, their cooperation going forward is an open question.

“Now there's a question mark about where that's going to go,” he said.
 

chuck731

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John Kerry announced the US gives Russia till Monday (17 March) to "reverse course in Ukraine." Given Obama's track record with red lines in Syria, how serious do you suppose Putin will view the ultimatum? My guess is not so much

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Yes, another line in the black earth of Ukraine, as it were. By monday the referendum would be over and Russia could technically be pursuing a different course from now based on the alledged outcome of the referendum.

If you know you can't avoid the trainwreck, it is stupid to keep putting on the act of conducting the train.
 
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Blackstone

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Yes, another line in the black earth of Ukraine, as it were. By monday the referendum would be over and Russia could technically be pursuing a different course from now based on the alledged outcome of the referendum.

If you know you can't avoid the trainwreck, it is stupid to keep putting on the act of conducting the train.

NATO should keep all options open, from doing nothing to full scale military, economic, and political support for Ukraine, that's why it might be prudent to place and centralize more military assets in Poland. Maybe it's time for 5-Corps to conduct a major military exercise with Poland.
 

delft

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I think the main sanction will be a refusal by the US to make use of the Northern Network for transport of people and cargo to and from Afghanistan.
 

kwaigonegin

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There are reports that the Russians presumably at the boarder line are using load speakers to blast the Ukrainians with propaganda, the Ukrainian response? They are bombarding the Russians With Cher. An Act I would demand War crime investigations for. but I am so not a Cher fan.

Cher? they should've used Justin Bieber but Putin may just authorize the use of WMDs in that case.
 

Air Force Brat

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I have long said the Crimea is just step one.

So did that good looking, gun toting, Mama Bear, Sarah Pahlin. Put her in a room alone with Vladimir Putin, she gonna take names and kick some BUTT, maybe serve up a few bear steaks???? or rump roast????? very sincerely, and unapologetically brat

My apologies to the President, actually I'm begging his forgiveness, and praying that he steps up and leads this nation and the free world to say NO to a real thief, and make him STOP!, MR. PRESIDENT!
 
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