Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 is Missing

SampanViking

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Re: Malaysia Airlines Plane is Missing

Well, hehehe, I would not go that far.

The aircraft, over the ocean, could have dropped in altitude and flown outside of other nation's air coverage.

Also, depending on what occurred and where, at the time of day (1:30 AM) that this event began, it is very possible a catastrophic failure would not have been seen.

In addition, there is a HUGE difference between a large civilan airliner flying in a manner that is not "attacking" or intentionally violating air space, and a fighter doing precisely that.

I am just saying, despite all of this, the mystery increases with each passing day.

I hear you Jeff but....

I think first thing to do is get a map of the region and vector in any direction from the know reported position. At about this point something changed dramatically, otherwise it would not be the last known position. Either it crashed or it flew on unable to communicate.

If it crashed in the area and not far off its flight path, something would have been found by now and even at 1:30am there is enough activity in the location for somebody to have seen or heard something unusual and would have reported it by now given the global furore.

If it had flown on as a large UFO, virtually every vector takes it towards land and populated areas and radar. Certainly every direction North, West and South. Even East/South East you quickly fly to Indonesia and areas which are going to be monitored by both Civil and Military Aviation. In fact there is only one very narrow possible vector that could take the plane East and fly between Borneo and the Philippines, but this is incredibly narrow and even this means crossing some of the worlds busiest Sea Lanes. Further of course, if the pilots know they were in trouble and turned the plane, surely North, West ans South are the directions they would turn as these would be the quickest routes to help and safety.

Maybe I am guilty of giving too much credence to the abilities of regional states, based on the assumption that these rapidly developing emerging modern nations will have first world capabilities in these areas. Am I wrong in this assumption?

Quick correction to above, if you fly East you are still in Malaysia as you fly to the Borneo provinces. If you fly South East you fly into Indonesian territory, either Sumatra, Java or Borneo.
 
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chuck731

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I hear you Jeff but....

I think firt thing to do is get a map of the region and vector in any direction from the know reported position. At about this point something changed dramatically, otherwise it would not be the last known position. Either it crashed or it flew on unable to communicate.

If it crashed in the area and not far off its flight path, something would have been found by now and even at 1:30am there is enough activity in the location for somebody to have seen or heard something unusual and would have reported it by now given the global furore.

If it had flown on as a large UFO, virtually every vector takes it towards land and populated areas and radar. Certainly every direction North, West and South. Even East/South East you quickly fly to Indonesia and areas which are going to be monitored by both Civil and Military Aviation. In fact there is only one very narrow possible vector that could take the plane East and fly between Borneo and the Philippines, but this is incredibly narrow and even this means crossing some of the worlds busiest Sea Lanes. Further of course, if the pilots know they were in trouble and turned the plane, surely North, West ans South are the directions they would turn as these would be the quickest routes to help and safety.

Maybe I am guilty of giving too much credence to the abilities of regional states, based on the assumption that these rapidly developing emerging modern nations will have first world capabilities in these areas. Am I wrong in this assumption?

If Mh370 did overfly some country's airspace without authorization, and it was picked up by radar equipment in that country, and those tasked with monitoring the said equipment and respond to unauthorized intrusions overlooked this intrusion, then I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility that some of these people would later hide, erase or alter the radar trace in order to avoid having to owe up to their oversights.
 

joshuatree

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Maybe I am guilty of giving too much credence to the abilities of regional states, based on the assumption that these rapidly developing emerging modern nations will have first world capabilities in these areas. Am I wrong in this assumption?

It's not really about giving too much credence but rather a real incident revealing the true capacity and operational readiness of each state in the area. For those that take lessons learned to heart, they will build upon this experience.

As for the article about engine info indicating the plane may have flown for hours more, I don't get it. How is it if the engines are transmitting back data, we can't get the last known area of data transmission?
 

Quickie

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Published: Thursday March 13, 2014 MYT 4:49:00 PM
Updated: Thursday March 13, 2014 MYT 4:55:52 PM
Missing MH370: Stanford student's theory goes viral

-- PHOTO: FROM ANDREW AUDE'S LINKEDIN


SINGAPORE: A young American undergraduate student at Stanford University has come up with a theory - yet to be verified by aviation experts - on the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 that has gone viral on the Web.

Andrew Aude, 20 and a computer science student, told The Straits Times that he "considered studying Aerospace engineering" as his father had an airline pilot licence and he grew up around aviation. When he was in middle school, he also attended the Boeing 787 roll-out premiere with his father.

In his Tumblr post, Aude cited a 2013 Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) Airworthiness Directive for the 777 which spotted a weakness in the plane.

According to the directive which he quotes, there had been a report of "cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (satcom) antenna adapter".

From this, he theorised that MH370 could have experienced the same issue, leading to the failure of satellite-based communications as well as to a slow decompression of the plane which left passengers unconscious and pilots disoriented. "If the decompression was slow enough, it’s possible the pilots did not realise to put on oxygen masks until it was too late," he wrote.

He also noted that the Boeing 777 aircraft does not deploy passenger oxygen masks until the cabin altitude reaches 13,500 feet. By then, passengers were likely to be unconscious if there was a slow decompression. Moreover, MH370 was a red-eye flight and most passengers would be trying to sleep, hence masking the effects of oxygen deprivation.

The autopilot function would have ensured that the plane maintained course and altitude before crashing into the East China Sea, the Sea of Japan or the Pacific Ocean, miles from the intensive search zone in the South China Sea where rescue efforts have been concentrated in the past few days.

This led him to conclude that "this was likely not an explosive decompression or inflight disintegration".

The theory adds to the list of possible explanations put forth by experts, including mechanical fault, mid-air explosion and sabotage. But none has been backed up by concrete evidence.

Aude wrote the piece, he said, "after discovering the FAA’s Airworthiness Directive on PPRUNE forums. In the same forum, I discovered how some of the 777’s radar systems depend on satcom and GPS. I considered these facts alongside the mobile phones ringing and the mumbling pilots, and I had come up with the proposed explanation".

PPRUNE is the Professional Pilots Rumour Network, an aviation website for airline pilots and aviation buffs. - The Straits Times/ANN
 

chuck731

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He also noted that the Boeing 777 aircraft does not deploy passenger oxygen masks until the cabin altitude reaches 13,500 feet. By then, passengers were likely to be unconscious if there was a slow decompression.



Really? Then we must have sleep walked to 19,341 feet when my party and I put our names in the summit registery of Kilimonjaro. One symptom of gradual decrompression is actually headache and inability to sleep.
 
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Quickie

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As for the article about engine info indicating the plane may have flown for hours more, I don't get it. How is it if the engines are transmitting back data, we can't get the last known area of data transmission?

Which is why the article is inaccurate, as clarified by the minister in the news briefing. The transmitted data would have included the whole packet of information, including location and altitude.
 
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Quickie

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Really? Then we must have been sleep walked to 19,341 feet when my party and I put our names in the summit registery of Kilimonjaro. One symptom of gradual decrompression is actually headache and inability to sleep.

Not that I already agree with his theory, but the walk entails being entirely awake before the decompression starts. Maybe most of the passengers were already sleeping, so the question of headache and inability to sleep doesn't arise.
 

Quickie

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Is that your guess or known from some reliable source?

It's not my guess but from a news source (I can't remember which one off the top of head) . In the system's communication protocol, the technical data is always transmitted whole, to a maximum of a few hundreds characters, as far as I can remember. Even if some information are transmitted in different packets and time , it doesn't really matter because we're talking about a working communication system that is already transmitting the jet engine data.
 
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