Chinese Aviation Industry

Lion

Senior Member
AVIC chairman of board Lin Zuoming interview:
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A few points:
- Latest J10 (presumably J10B) brings huge improvements against early versions of J10 (sky and earth difference, in his words).
- AVIC's UAV sells well in export market
- Engine technology still behind Russia, ahead in other areas
- US bombing Chinese embassy in 1999 spurred development of China's aviation industry. That was the lowest point of the industry, in his view.
- Goal is to be on par with US by 2021, meaning whatever US has, China also have it (though US may have it first). In certain areas this has already achieved (reaching same level same stage).

Nothing very specific or surprising, though still nice to see these words from the mouth of AVIC boss. I would say the 1999 bombing not just gave a shot in the arm to China's aviation industry, but to military industry overall, really a wake-up call.

Something to add on. Wing Loong UAV sell well is becos it did very well during trial test on foreign soil compare to a number of peer competitor. A bait target was set and many other competitor armed UAV were not able to destroy the mobile target while Wing Loong able to killed the bait and impressed the host country.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
Something to add on. Wing Loong UAV sell well is becos it did very well during trial test on foreign soil compare to a number of peer competitor. A bait target was set and many other competitor armed UAV were not able to destroy the mobile target while Wing Loong able to killed the bait and impressed the host country.


That's a surprise. Can you provide more data or links. Thanks.
 

Lion

Senior Member
That's a surprise. Can you provide more data or links. Thanks.

It is an extract from the mouth of AVIC chairman during the Chinese interview. That's all he mention. And he mention Wing loong sell well in countries involved fighting terrorism.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
This video talks about new UAV concepts that we've seen pics of and there's some RC model demonstrations including a bit of that variable wing concept and also VSTOL concepts.

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Deino

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Maybe it's like competition between first, second, and third tier cities in China. A whole lot of super tall skyscraper projects going on. CAC is supposedly making a competitor to the J-31.

I'd like to see something like this fly.

Interesting idea I also had some time ago or a fact I wondered about: Why were there so far no real one-off X-types like the X-29, X-31 or so ??

All so far known experimental types like the JJ-6, J-7 and J-8 tesbeds are more or less simply modified serial aircraft or former prototypes.

So what about a single experimental prototype of a twin-engined J-10, a JH-7 with AL-31FN or WS-10 .... ??? Even if surely just some nice what-if-ideas, IMO such projects would give a great push to the Chinese aviation industry.

Just an idea,
Deino
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Interesting idea I also had some time ago or a fact I wondered about: Why were there so far no real one-off X-types like the X-29, X-31 or so ??

All so far known experimental types like the JJ-6, J-7 and J-8 tesbeds are more or less simply modified serial aircraft or former prototypes.

So what about a single experimental prototype of a twin-engined J-10, a JH-7 with AL-31FN or WS-10 .... ??? Even if surely just some nice what-if-ideas, IMO such projects would give a great push to the Chinese aviation industry.

Just an idea,
Deino



funding!

no funding!

a small scale X plane size of X-36 could cost anywhere from 2-30 million to hundreds of million. who is footing the bill? not where they can't even pay competitive wages for most of their employees.

The current chairman of AVIC may be a bumbling fool but under him AVIC made alot of money in realestate. now they are flushed with some cash. some what. and you can see they are funding their own X planes. (J-31 )
 
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xiabonan

Junior Member
Great to hear it from THE man himself.
Remember saying pretty much the same thing here with Chinese engines causing some serious hissy fit by not only western fanboys but Chinese ones with inferiority complex as well.
The funny thing is one can easily reach this conclusion with open info much discussed here, no need for inside info at all, just some common sense and objectivity.

Lol.

This guy has very bad reputation among the Chinese military enthusiasts.

He's a businessman first, a bureaucrat second, and then the in-charge of Chinese Aviation Industry.

I've watched the interview, half of the time he's talking about how to use funds to invest, such as in the booming property market, to make more money, and one quarter of the time he's talking about how to ask the higher authority to give him more power to manipulate those funds.

He's not a technology-savvy guy and he even admitted he didn't know the setting up of ADIZ beforehand.

Take his words with a grain of salt, as he's business-driven and money-driven, he needs to boast whenever he can to sell more. He's more like a professional manager to manage AVIC's funds and money and try to figure out how to earn more money by investing and selling his products, etc etc. If you understand Chinese you'll see that he first labels him as a businessman than anything else, and openly claims his top priority goal is to earn money.

Not a bad thing, AVIC certainly needs money, but that to me, certainly affects his credibility in terms of real technologies.

I'll have much more faith in words from those really fighting in the frontier to battle those odds and difficulties to make Chinese fighters better, than someone like him whom to me is nothing more than just another bureaucratic businessman.
 

Lion

Senior Member
Lol.

This guy has very bad reputation among the Chinese military enthusiasts.

He's a businessman first, a bureaucrat second, and then the in-charge of Chinese Aviation Industry.

I've watched the interview, half of the time he's talking about how to use funds to invest, such as in the booming property market, to make more money, and one quarter of the time he's talking about how to ask the higher authority to give him more power to manipulate those funds.

He's not a technology-savvy guy and he even admitted he didn't know the setting up of ADIZ beforehand.

Take his words with a grain of salt, as he's business-driven and money-driven, he needs to boast whenever he can to sell more. He's more like a professional manager to manage AVIC's funds and money and try to figure out how to earn more money by investing and selling his products, etc etc. If you understand Chinese you'll see that he first labels him as a businessman than anything else, and openly claims his top priority goal is to earn money.

Not a bad thing, AVIC certainly needs money, but that to me, certainly affects his credibility in terms of real technologies.

I'll have much more faith in words from those really fighting in the frontier to battle those odds and difficulties to make Chinese fighters better, than someone like him whom to me is nothing more than just another bureaucratic businessman.

Southern Chinese is never known to be well known when comes to engineering.
 

jobjed

Captain
Southern Chinese is never known to be well known when comes to engineering.

If we're going to degrade ourselves to spew out stereotypes, then perhaps you should know that China as a whole is not well-known for quality engineering. The stereotypical pro engineers of the world are Germans.

Stereotypes aside, China, EVERY portion of it, is home to many talented and gifted engineers that together are responsible for the fastest modernisation/industrialisation in history. I suggest you keep your unwarranted and obnoxious disparaging remarks away from this forum.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Southern Chinese is never known to be well known when comes to engineering.


The evidence shows quite contrary.

consider that...

from 1955-2011, of all past and present members China Academy of Sciences

the top 5 provincial origins are .

Jiangsu, Zhejiang, Fujian, Guangdong, Hunan. all these provinces are consider southern china.

Jiangsu and Zhejiang each produced about 200+ members.

Shanghai, the city that never broke 10 million size mark until 90s, has 41. more than Liaoning the industry power house which produced a paltry 17...


same thing on China Academy of engineering.

Top two again are Jiangsu and Zhejiang.
 
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