East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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i.e.

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I had actually wondered about the lack of proper technical and diplomatic language in the announcement myself. Surely the Chinese foreign service is filled with expertise in this area. As you say though, others are not forced to cooperate with them at all (even when we're talking foreign affairs). This is a relatively new and very interesting feature of Chinese foreign policy. My take is that the report I posted earlier indicating this zone came down from Xi Jinping himself (some say as a gesture to nationalist forces to rally support for third Plenum reforms incl the new national security committee, though this is pure speculation) is true. It seems reasonable to think that if this came down from his table, perhaps with some extra notes from a few PLA bigshots, MFA or MOD officials would have little will or leeway to give much input, much less interpret or rewrite it.

I cannot be sure, but the wording of the announcement was a diplomatic blunder, and I fail to see how the MFA would not have picked up on it if they were a central actor in the deliberation...


Its not lack of diplomatic language. it's the lack of proper public and media diplomacy. where US and Western organizations are usually master at this. MFA is woefully unschooled in spin.

In term of announcement it is not a blunder. but it could have done the public side of diplomacy better.

for example.. the spokes person for MFA and its staff, those who are charged with finetunning the message, are entirely graduates of CFAU.

where as US DoS and Whitehouse and even DoD you have an intermarriage between madison ave ad exe , public relations specialist from large corporations, and those who are in charge of the delivery of public message. (just google the fascinating case of "Charlotte Beers")

who would you think could deliver a message better? those who are trained to doing it in the corporate world and can sell reading glasses to the blind and gymshoes to the cripple? or a staid bureaucrat for him/her this job is but another rune up the ladder?
 
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FarkTypeSoldier

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Good morning (ladies) & gentlemen,

I begin my usual dosage of Chinese military news:

[video=youtube;_KGfO0Tm4Xc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KGfO0Tm4Xc[/video]

Today's topic is about the various types of Chinese military aircrafts being deployed over the China's ADIZ with in-depth intro of these equipment.

I will translate after watching.

Today's guest is Mr Song Xinzhi, a reowned aircraft & avonics expert in China.

1) China chooses Su-27 and J-11 as their main patrol fighter;

2) Reason is due to the high manuvourability of this type of heavy-attack fighters;

3) How to identify Su-27 and J-11;

4) Su-27's radome is opened upwards & J-11's radome is opened from side;

5) Due to an upgrade to the fire & control system with avonics calculators, J-11 can mount indigeniously produced PL-8 & PL-12 as well as Russian missiles whereas Su-27 can only mount Russian missiles;

6) Another tell-tale signs, though not verified, is that J-11 has China's flag painted under its cockpit with the PLAAF's emblem on its tails whereas Su-27 only have the PLAAF emblem on its tails only;

The programme also introduces on China-Turkey exercise during 2010, however there has been no confirmation on whether it is Su-27 or J-11 who had joined the 'training' in Turkey. During the pre-excerise phase, the 4x Chinese fighters went into Iran for refuelling. Iran was very supportive of the training exercise by China-Turkey and that was the first time Iran opened up its airspace for the Chinese (foreign) fighters to fly to Turkey as well as landed for refuel. The fighters also went to Pakistan for refuel and journey through it. The whole journey from East to West is about 6000km. The adminstrative process of planning this excerise took 2 years before the exercise began in 2010.

The programme ends by concluding the 'likely' conflict will be fought by the likes of J-11 vs F-15J, but this is very unlikely as of now.
 

thunderchief

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6) Another tell-tale signs, though not verified, is that J-11 has China's flag painted under its cockpit with the PLAAF's emblem on its tails whereas Su-27 only have the PLAAF emblem on its tails only;

Under cockpit ? You mean on the belly of the aircraft or inside cockpit on the floor ?
 

FarkTypeSoldier

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Under cockpit ? You mean on the belly of the aircraft or inside cockpit on the floor ?

I try post a pic tomorrow. It'd hard to post on my mobile now

Perhaps I didn't stated properly, the Chinese flag is painted on the fuselage outside of the air frame, not in the belly.

:)
 
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chuck731

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there is no one " party school "

there is the central party school.
there are three additional "cadre schools", One in Pudong Shanghai, One in the yan'an, another one in Jingangshan.

The one in Pudong is very modern looking, huge campus. Its best to be compared with a giant corporation's internal training program.


If Chinese leaders all went to party schools, that could explain some things. :p
 

chuck731

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Its not lack of diplomatic language. it's the lack of proper public and media diplomacy. where US and Western organizations are usually master at this. MFA is woefully unschooled in spin.

In term of announcement it is not a blunder. but it could have done the public side of diplomacy better.

for example.. the spokes person for MFA and its staff, those who are charged with finetunning the message, are entirely graduates of CFAU.

where as US DoS and Whitehouse and even DoD you have an intermarriage between madison ave ad exe , public relations specialist from large corporations, and those who are in charge of the delivery of public message. (just google the fascinating case of "Charlotte Beers")

who would you think could deliver a message better? those who are trained to doing it in the corporate world and can sell reading glasses to the blind and gymshoes to the cripple? or a staid bureaucrat for him/her this job is but another rune up the ladder?


Actually, chinese MFA is just as accoustomed to spin as any others. What they lack is the experience to spin to an audience that has the audacity to ask free-ranging and unscripted questions back, and would furthermore dare to snicker at wooden scripted formularic answers.

In the west, really good investigative reporters hone the skills of spinners to a high craft. In China really good investigative reporters are sent to jail so the spinners can remain dim and complacent.
 
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Blackstone

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Actually, chinese MFA is just as accoustomed to spin as any others. What they lack is the experience to spin to an audience that has the audacity to ask free-ranging and unscripted questions back, and would furthermore dare to snicker at wooden scripted formularic answers.

In the west, really good investigative reporters hone the skills of spinners to a high craft. In China really good investigative reporters are sent to jail so the spinners can remain dim and complacent.

Good take on elementary and at times inept China MFA performances.
 

Maggern

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Good take on elementary and at times inept China MFA performances.

Again though...considering how they are often (though not in this case) not informed prior to an incident, and rarely even involved, it's hard to prepare good spin before foreign reporters suddenly land the story in your lap (which has happened in the past, like the usns impeccable incident off hainan isl )
 

SampanViking

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I think all the top PR in the world do little or no good for the PRC.
When all the major Global media organisations are owned or otherwise affiliated with the competition, they will spin against you irrespective.

In fact I would say that the PRC is better off in having a hostile media that is consistently hostile as many people will be able to see the lack of objectivity. If the hostile media is kind over issues that do not matter, but then revert to type when they do, it only gives a fig leaf of respectability to the media.

It is more important for China to get out the message it wants to put out and to ensure that this is lodged firmly in the record. Ultimately China needs to ensure its record is straight in the arena of International Diplomacy and Law, irrespective of how it is played in the arena of wider public opinion.
 

Equation

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So true, but even on that front, CCP Propagandists shoot themselves in the foot. The latest example of stellar CCP propaganda is claiming extreme smog is beneficial for national defense. It's proof incompetence on the metro and provincial levels aren't always sanctioned by Beijing.

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Who says Global Times don't have a sense of humor?:p You don't think they did this on purpose just so to reveal the Western media over reaction to it? Trust me a lot of Chinese knows all about the Western media constant bashing of China. If you think the CPC government are that incompetent, how come the last time I check it was only Washington that had a government shut down?
 
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