J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

Drink is correct. Only one j-10b, so far, is shown using the WS-10 engine. From what I've gathered, first batch of J-10B will use Russian engines, but all will be equipped with AESA radars.

Its true there is only one J-10B flying with a WS-10A engine that's prototype 1035. The others are all flying with the AL-31's including the production planes. They say that the first batch of J-10B production will use the AL-31 but the second batch will use the WS-10A. That may or may not happen as the WS-10 is only in serial production since 2010 that's only 3 years ago. We know that it has been making remarkable progress since then, but i don't know if its ready for single engine operations yet. I think the second batch maybe too soon for the WS-10A. Perhabs in a few years, but when that happens it will be THE conformation of its improved reliability.

Deino said:

They are indeeed different aircraft:

1. Image = psed 1035 with number erased = 5. prototype
2. Image = regular image of 1035 showing WS-10B
3. Image = refurbished 1031 = first prototype with AL-31FN (carries now a plain grey colour with yellow 1031)
4. Image = a very old image of the original firstr prototype 1031 prior to its new two-tone colour and prior to receiving the pitot-less radome (IMO close to its maiden flight years ago ... note the semisonformal pods under wing)

Deino

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Thanks Deino.

So there are actually two aircraft from those four pics.

1035 which is using the WS-10.

1031 which has been refurbished, but is using the AL-31.

So, only one J-10B so far with the WS-10 and that is 1035.

Thanks.

I have see some rumors saying J-10B should be delivered to the first regiment soon, maybe very soon, 44th Division be approached.

Any comments.

Sound reasonable ... the same was with the first J-10A regiment - often said due to being close to CAC - and even more the 44. FD has still two regiments with J-7s left !

There is no PLAAF division with two J-10 regiments (or two J-11 regiments for that matter), so if 44 Div gets J-10B, it will likely be in 131 Regt - which will then pass on its J-10A's to some J-7 regiment elsewhere.

I think the explanation why 44 Div was chosen to be the first with J-10 is likely correct. Similarly, the first division with J-11 was 1 Div Anshan, which is close to Shenyang.

6日，在中航工业试飞中心，歼-10战斗机的副总设计师张继高首度公开谈到歼-10的改进型号。张继高向人民网记者表示，将从气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面综合提升歼-10战机的整体性能。
2009年3月，互联网上首次出现我国歼-10改型战机的图片，随后被网民们称为“歼-10B”。
近五年来，“歼-10B”的若干次试飞图片陆续在网上曝光，均牵引着网友、军迷、甚至外媒的关注。
日前，美国军事专家理查德•费希尔指出，“歼-10B”是一种配备了现代化机载设备、先进雷达系统的“四代半”战机，该型战斗机即将交付中国空军。
而对此，张继高并不太认同“四代半”战机的说法。相较之下，他认为目前国际通用的战机划代方式是更为合理的。
他指出，现代战争中，很少有单机对抗的情况，多为体系对抗、网络作战，因此一型战斗机的作战效果与诸多因素相关。“并不是说飞机的雷达、航电武器、导弹探测距离优化了，它的作战效果就提高了。”
谈到下一步歼-10改进型号的研制，张继高透露，将从飞机的气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面提升其性能。“飞机的发展要通过不断的优化、改进，”他说，“我们的改型将是全面的，不会只局限于某一个方向。”（张洁娴）
vice Chief engineer tsang Tsi gao participatein the J-10B program,leak improve J-10 ,hint of J-10C?

hardware said:

6日，在中航工业试飞中心，歼-10战斗机的副总设计师张继高首度公开谈到歼-10的改进型号。张继高向人民网记者表示，将从气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面综合提升歼-10战机的整体性能。
2009年3月，互联网上首次出现我国歼-10改型战机的图片，随后被网民们称为“歼-10B”。
近五年来，“歼-10B”的若干次试飞图片陆续在网上曝光，均牵引着网友、军迷、甚至外媒的关注。
日前，美国军事专家理查德•费希尔指出，“歼-10B”是一种配备了现代化机载设备、先进雷达系统的“四代半”战机，该型战斗机即将交付中国空军。
而对此，张继高并不太认同“四代半”战机的说法。相较之下，他认为目前国际通用的战机划代方式是更为合理的。
他指出，现代战争中，很少有单机对抗的情况，多为体系对抗、网络作战，因此一型战斗机的作战效果与诸多因素相关。“并不是说飞机的雷达、航电武器、导弹探测距离优化了，它的作战效果就提高了。”
谈到下一步歼-10改进型号的研制，张继高透露，将从飞机的气动布局、任务系统、使用维护等方面提升其性能。“飞机的发展要通过不断的优化、改进，”他说，“我们的改型将是全面的，不会只局限于某一个方向。”（张洁娴）
vice Chief engineer tsang Tsi gao participatein the J-10B program,leak improve J-10 ,hint of J-10C?

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Link please.... how come everytime you refused to provide a link?

New J-10 shows comprehensive rather than partial improvements
(People's Daily Online) 15:31, November 12, 2013
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On November 6th Zhang Jigao, deputy chief designer of the J-10 fighter, spoke about the improved model J-10 publicly for the first time in the AVIC flight test center. Zhang Jigao told People's Daily Online reporters that the overall performance of the J-10 will be comprehensively improved in areas such as aerodynamic layout, mission system, and the approach to maintenance.

In March 2009, pictures of our improved model J-10 fighters appeared for the first time on the Internet, and netizens quickly began to call it the "J-10B".

Over the last five 5 years, several images of the test J-10B have appeared online, attracting widespread attention from netizens, military enthusiasts, and even foreign media.

U.S. military expert Richard Fisher recently pointed out that the J-10B is a so-called "fourth and a half" generation fighter equipped with modern airborne technology and an advanced radar system, which is about to be delivered to the PLA Air Force.

Zhang Jigao disputed the term "fourth and a half" generation. In contrast, he suggested that the current international criteria to classify generations are more applicable.

He pointed out that single combat is rare in modern warfare, and that the majority of cases now involve system combat and network operations, so that the combat capabilities of a fighter depend on many factors. "This does not mean that the optimization of an aircraft's radar, avionics, and missile detection ranges are bound to improvements in operational performance."

Zhang Jigao added that further improvements to the performance of the J10 would focus on the aircraft's aerodynamic layout and mission systems, and the approach to maintenance. "Aircraft development requires constant optimization and improvement," he said, "and our modifications will be comprehensive rather than being confined to a specific area."

pretty awesome comparison

you can also seem them at the end of this video. [video=youtube;f783ghcC-LY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f783ghcC-LY[/video]