East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

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Blitzo

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Are you aware that Japan has a stealth fighter program and the prototype is being built now?

Actually ATD-X is not a prototype for a stealth fighter program.
It is a sub-sized demonstrator for technologies that can be used in a future stealth fighter program. Come on, get your facts right, you're better than this.


that japan builds their own aircraft carriers some of which are really big and they did not even ask the US or Russia to buy scrap to make one.

The problem you do not understand is the odds we are playing, we are talking about a WWIII scenario, China won`t kick out the US from Japan niether the pacific.

China is raising the odds to look strong to test the US-Japan alliance and look strong, pushing the Japanese to see how serious are about the Islands but Japan still has a Naval presence in the dispute Islands and as long as they are there China does not gain any thing, If China declares no ship is allowed then that is really serious, but i am sure the JASDF will still fly there but China wants to press Japan.

What naval presence are you talking about. They've never deployed their navy to the disputed islands.


And if Japan militarizes heavily it won't only piss China off. The US will be nervous, SK won't be happy either.
 

Blackstone

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wow you look very logic, so tell me Is the US going to leave Japan?
you are just fantasying, since is obvious Japan and the US are affected by this ID zone and the Japanese host a large force of US forces that the US uses not for air shows but for power projection, the only reason the US will try to keep a low profile is the possibility of WWIII, which no nation will win

By your own words, you outlined the chief reason why the US will stay out of Sino-Japanese conflicts, unless China fires first.

QED
 

MiG-29

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And Japan has already blinked.
Their response was to protest the ADIZ.
They didn't live up to their claim that they would shoot down foreign drones (and by association, foreign fighters) that enter diaoyu/senkaku airspace.

It wasn't a blink, it was more like a massive schizophrenic stammering.




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so tell me is the Japanese navy out of the islands? hahaha Japan still is there when the Japanese Navy that also carries surface to air missiles leaves the area you called Japan blinked, but now no Su-27 or J-10 has moved those ships away.

You are just misunderstanding that Japan like China do not want war, simple you think war is a movie since probably you are not even in China or Japan and you do not even are there if there is a war there for you is a movie while i bet you live in a western country.

But not Japan won`t do moves that can create conflict the Japanese always think twice very well what they are going to do and this is just a chess game of threats, no one will win a WWIII so no one will start a war
 
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MiG-29

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By your own words, you outlined the chief reason why the US will stay out of Sino-Japanese conflicts, unless China fires first.

QED

China won`t fire therefore Japan will still fly F-15s do you understand that, Japan will continue their patrols since the Chinese are saying their ID zone gives them some rights they are stating to fire first, so the US is there all the way
 

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so tell me is the Japanese navy out of the islands? hahaha Japan still is there when the Japanese Navy that also carries surface to air missiles leaves the area you called Japan blinked, but now no Su-27 or J-10 has moved those ships away.

JMSDF has not held a significant presence at Diaoyu/senkaku islands for the entirety of this dispute.
So they were never in the islands at the first place.

I'm not even sure why you're bringing up the navy, this discussion was about the ADIZ. Air force. Not navy.



You are just misunderstanding that Japan like China do not want war, simple you think war is a movie since probably you are not even in China or Japan and you do not even are if there is a war there.

I literally have no idea what you just said.


But not Japan won`t do moves that can create conflict the Japanese always think twice very well what they are going to do and this is just a chess game of threats, no one will win a WWIII so no one will start a war

I think I agree with you. Japan won't seek war. China won't seek war. Both sides will push each other until one side backs down. I think we are very quickly reaching that equilibrium.




China won`t fire therefore Japan will still fly F-15s do you understand that, Japan will continue their patrols since the Chinese are saying their ID zone gives them some rights they are stating to fire first, so the US is there all the way

China never said their ADIZ gives them the rights to fire first, and they know it would be stupid if they fired first. "Emergency defensive measures" doesn't equal "we'll shoot you if you don't follow our instructions"

The question is whether Japan/Abe will seek to fire first, or seek to escalate some sort of incident.
 

Blackstone

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China won`t fire therefore Japan will still fly F-15s do you understand that, Japan will continue their patrols since the Chinese are saying their ID zone gives them some rights they are stating to fire first, so the US is there all the way

Did someone hack Mig-29's account? He usually writes better.

The reason China wouldn't fire first is because, by their own words, they need 3 to 4 more decades for internal development. War with Japan or with anyone else is the last things they want. So, it's reasonable to think their latest move is another action to contest Diaoyu islands.
 

MiG-29

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JMSDF has not held a significant presence at Diaoyu/senkaku islands for the entirety of this dispute.
So they were never in the islands at the first place.

I'm not even sure why you're bringing up the navy, this discussion was about the ADIZ. Air force. Not navy.





I literally have no idea what you just said.




I think I agree with you. Japan won't seek war. China won't seek war. Both sides will push each other until one side backs down. I think we are very quickly reaching that equilibrium.






China never said their ADIZ gives them the rights to fire first, and they know it would be stupid if they fired first. "Emergency defensive measures" doesn't equal "we'll shoot you if you don't follow our instructions"

The question is whether Japan/Abe will seek to fire first, or seek to escalate some sort of incident.
So you see is playing Chicken, no one will fire since no war is beneficial to any side, but the problem is the ID zone increases the likelihood of conflict since the Japanese will continue flying their F-15s since the Japanese cost guard is there which is basically an extension of the navy and do not support them means leaving them unprotected.
 

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So you see is playing Chicken, no one will fire since no war is benefitial to any side,

But it isn't just a game of chicken for China, because if they are able to fly over the islands that means they can erode some of Japan's sovereignty claim over the islands, as well as make Abe's military look like an idiot for not being able to back up their claim of shooting down foreign drones (and by extension aircraft) which enter their airspace, because like you said, neither side will shoot first.


but the problem is the ID zone increases the likelihood of conflict since the Japanese will continue flying their F-15s

Agreed.

since the Japanese cost guard is there which is basically an extension of the navy and do not support them means leaving them unprotected.

Lol no, sending in coast guard ships doesn't equal having a "naval presence," full stop.
 

MiG-29

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But it isn't just a game of chicken for China, because if they are able to fly over the islands that means they can erode some of Japan's sovereignty claim over the islands, as well as make Abe's military look like an idiot for not being able to back up their claim of shooting down foreign drones (and by extension aircraft) which enter their airspace, because like you said, neither side will shoot first.




Agreed.



Lol no, sending in coast guard ships doesn't equal having a "naval presence," full stop.
I think you think war is a video game, war is horrible my friend, is horrible, and you do not need to start a war just because in a past war a nations killed each other.

Wars are not something we want do i ask you are you going to be affected if there is a war between China and Japan?
Do you think a war is good a video game, i know some people play games of war in the sentakus, i know that but i will tell you war is no game.

Japan has not blinked neither will give the islands to China simple like that, if they do it will be with a big pressure by the US but a war will be a huge thing and the Japanese will use logic to avoid one.

Wars are no game only a person who is bad in the brain or insane can want a war when there are such beautiful things in life

or do you think Japanese Children need to endure a war?
No my friend the odds we are discussing are high for that reason the Japanese sent a protest to China and that was the right thing to do to avoid wars, you think Japan blinked because i am sure you have no friends in Japan who can suffer is there is a war or do you have friends? tell me what you gain by saying Japan blinked?
 

FarkTypeSoldier

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I'm sure they had already anticipated the increased scrambles when making this announcement. If anything, this now gives their air force a mission to further train upon, in this case, maintaining high tempo of ops.

The real nightmare is for commercial and civilian pilots having to do deal with a new militarized zone now. If for whatever reason there are orders coming from either side's fighters, who do you respond to without being shot down?

In any case, a really bold and great move by the Chinese. It's a good time to practise air alertness and the forces readiness.

I concur with you, the Chinese must have 'anticipated' about the frequent 'crashes' with JSDAF upon the new AFIZ being announced.

Also the Chinese have adopted a no-fire-first policy so the PLAAF and PLANAF won't be the ones firing first.
 
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