PLAN Carrier Construction

Xian

New Member
The discussion is not about the tonnage - its about the configuration of the carrier...
You don't need a 100.000t ship for CATOBAR.
You can also have a CATOBAR carrier with 60.000 to 70.000 tons....
The french CdG is about 45.000 tons and is still a CATOBAR!
 

HKSDU

Junior Member
it wasnt related to that chain of discussion. that's why i didnt quote anyone

The discussion is not about the tonnage - its about the configuration of the carrier...
You don't need a 100.000t ship for CATOBAR.
You can also have a CATOBAR carrier with 60.000 to 70.000 tons....
The french CdG is about 45.000 tons and is still a CATOBAR!

i know.... i ain't new to military hardware. have been following for awhile
 

delft

Brigadier
Another point we are forgetting: CSIC stopped trading in its shares at the Shanghai stock exchange about three months ago until about now to prevent people using fore-knowledge about contracts being negotiated between itself and the government regarding investment relevant to the building of large naval ships. If that period has passed CSIC should have published a document to inform its shareholders: what did it say?
It still seems reasonable to suppose that it concerns investment in the shipyard in Dalian that is to build the next flattop and that it will include provisions to install an integrated power system, so necessary to reduce fuel consumption by the gas turbine prime movers and to provide power to the cats if and when these are installed. That would also mean that the construction of that flattop can now begin except perhaps when at some stage the construction of the ship would have to wait on that new investment.
It also seems reasonable that a similar contract with CSSC will have been signed, less complex and expensive, to provide for type 055 ( or whatever its designation will be ) that also will be fitted with three or four gas turbines and an integrated power system and that at least one building hall is now being modernized accordingly.
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
I certainly did not mean to offend Popeye, and I hold both your opinion and his in high regard.

thank you ..however you did not offend me.

Blitzio posted an article from Russia kuznetsov CV claim Su-33 full loaded launch from back angle deck position with ship charging at 25 knots is able to launch from ramp.

I'd like to see that. If they do that how often can they do that? How many aircraft can the spot on that flight deck for those loads? they would need lots of space for those long runs to the ramp.

Yep.. you need catapults for full fledged strike ops. And I know the Russians intended their CVs for CAP missions.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
something I think we should point out about the Ulyanovsk was that her CAT's were meant for AEW craft.I don't think the Russians ever meant for SU33's or any other fighters to ride them. with the Termination of the Ulyanovsk the YAK 44 AEW was scrapped too.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
CAT for USS R. reagan CV is 300 ft long. is this a standard lenght?
There are a number of critical dimensions for the C-13-01 and C13-02 Catapults, which are the catapults used on all current Nimitz classs US Nuclear carriers. Three of the principle ones are:

Catapult Length: 324' 10" (-01 and -02)
Cat Power Stroke: 309' 9" (-01)
Cat Power Stroke: 306' 9" (-02)
Cylinder Bore: 18" (-01)
Cylinder Bore: 21" (-02)

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Now, the French use the C13-03 catapult which is a particular version made for the French Charles de Gaulle, which is about 250' long.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
something I think we should point out about the Ulyanovsk was that her CAT's were meant for AEW craft.I don't think the Russians ever meant for SU33's or any other fighters to ride them. with the Termination of the Ulyanovsk the YAK 44 AEW was scrapped too.

The thing with the Chinese military is that they spend as much time to study others as they spend studying themselves

A huge amount of resources is put into watching its neighbours, wether that be India, Japan or a Joint American-South Korea training excercise you can bet Chinese military is studying and observing what others are doing in the region

They also asses the capabilitys of thier neighbours in detail, so I think the Ulyanovsk design is something that China has studied back to back so see how and if it can work in PLAN
 
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