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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Why did it take 93,000 dead before the rebels got help, the Assad had nearly won the war since Hezbollah joined, this support for the rebels means more casualties, more bloodshed and prolonged war

I'm suspicious of the timing
 

Franklin

Captain
Now that some of our new found friends in Syria has been exposed as inane gun toting cannibalistic religious fundamentalists, you would think that there would be a need to reconsider our current Syria policy. But instead of that people are now doubling down on that policy. And just as the Americans are now going to directly supply arms to the Syrian rebels and are also talking up the prospects of a no fly zone over Syria. We now have the news that Iran is going to send 4000 combat troops to help reinforce al-Assad. So there is a growing risk that America and Iran are heading for a direct confrontation in Syria.

Iran to send 4,000 troops to aid President Assad forces in Syria

World Exclusive: US urges UK and France to join in supplying arms to Syrian rebels as MPs fear that UK will be drawn into growing conflict

Washington’s decision to arm Syria’s Sunni Muslim rebels has plunged America into the great Sunni-Shia conflict of the Islamic Middle East, entering a struggle that now dwarfs the Arab revolutions which overthrew dictatorships across the region.

For the first time, all of America’s ‘friends’ in the region are Sunni Muslims and all of its enemies are Shiites. Breaking all President Barack Obama’s rules of disengagement, the US is now fully engaged on the side of armed groups which include the most extreme Sunni Islamist movements in the Middle East.

The Independent on Sunday has learned that a military decision has been taken in Iran – even before last week’s presidential election – to send a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the largely Sunni rebellion that has cost almost 100,000 lives in just over two years. Iran is now fully committed to preserving Assad’s regime, according to pro-Iranian sources which have been deeply involved in the Islamic Republic’s security, even to the extent of proposing to open up a new ‘Syrian’ front on the Golan Heights against Israel.

In years to come, historians will ask how America – after its defeat in Iraq and its humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan scheduled for 2014 – could have so blithely aligned itself with one side in a titanic Islamic struggle stretching back to the seventh century death of the Prophet Mohamed. The profound effects of this great schism, between Sunnis who believe that the father of Mohamed’s wife was the new caliph of the Muslim world and Shias who regard his son in law Ali as his rightful successor – a seventh century battle swamped in blood around the present-day Iraqi cities of Najaf and Kerbala – continue across the region to this day. A 17th century Archbishop of Canterbury, George Abbott, compared this Muslim conflict to that between “Papists and Protestants”.

America’s alliance now includes the wealthiest states of the Arab Gulf, the vast Sunni territories between Egypt and Morocco, as well as Turkey and the fragile British-created monarchy in Jordan. King Abdullah of Jordan – flooded, like so many neighbouring nations, by hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees – may also now find himself at the fulcrum of the Syrian battle. Up to 3,000 American ‘advisers’ are now believed to be in Jordan, and the creation of a southern Syria ‘no-fly zone’ – opposed by Syrian-controlled anti-aircraft batteries – will turn a crisis into a ‘hot’ war. So much for America’s ‘friends’.

Its enemies include the Lebanese Hizballah, the Alawite Shiite regime in Damascus and, of course, Iran. And Iraq, a largely Shiite nation which America ‘liberated’ from Saddam Hussein’s Sunni minority in the hope of balancing the Shiite power of Iran, has – against all US predictions – itself now largely fallen under Tehran’s influence and power. Iraqi Shiites as well as Hizballah members, have both fought alongside Assad’s forces.

Washington’s excuse for its new Middle East adventure – that it must arm Assad’s enemies because the Damascus regime has used sarin gas against them – convinces no-one in the Middle East. Final proof of the use of gas by either side in Syria remains almost as nebulous as President George W. Bush’s claim that Saddam’s Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

For the real reason why America has thrown its military power behind Syria’s Sunni rebels is because those same rebels are now losing their war against Assad. The Damascus regime’s victory this month in the central Syrian town of Qusayr, at the cost of Hizballah lives as well as those of government forces, has thrown the Syrian revolution into turmoil, threatening to humiliate American and EU demands for Assad to abandon power. Arab dictators are supposed to be deposed – unless they are the friendly kings or emirs of the Gulf – not to be sustained. Yet Russia has given its total support to Assad, three times vetoing UN Security Council resolutions that might have allowed the West to intervene directly in the civil war.

In the Middle East, there is cynical disbelief at the American contention that it can distribute arms – almost certainly including anti-aircraft missiles – only to secular Sunni rebel forces in Syria represented by the so-called Free Syria Army. The more powerful al-Nusrah Front, allied to al-Qaeda, dominates the battlefield on the rebel side and has been blamed for atrocities including the execution of Syrian government prisoners of war and the murder of a 14-year old boy for blasphemy. They will be able to take new American weapons from their Free Syria Army comrades with little effort.

From now on, therefore, every suicide bombing in Damascus - every war crime committed by the rebels - will be regarded in the region as Washington’s responsibility. The very Sunni-Wahabi Islamists who killed thousands of Americans on 11th September, 2011 – who are America’s greatest enemies as well as Russia’s – are going to be proxy allies of the Obama administration. This terrible irony can only be exacerbated by Russian President Vladimir Putin’s adament refusal to tolerate any form of Sunni extremism. His experience in Chechenya, his anti-Muslim rhetoric – he has made obscene remarks about Muslim extremists in a press conference in Russian – and his belief that Russia’s old ally in Syria is facing the same threat as Moscow fought in Chechenya, plays a far greater part in his policy towards Bashar al-Assad than the continued existence of Russia’s naval port at the Syrian Mediterranean city of Tartous.

For the Russians, of course, the ‘Middle East’ is not in the ‘east’ at all, but to the south of Moscow; and statistics are all-important. The Chechen capital of Grozny is scarcely 500 miles from the Syrian frontier. Fifteen per cent of Russians are Muslim. Six of the Soviet Union’s communist republics had a Muslim majority, 90 per cent of whom were Sunni. And Sunnis around the world make up perhaps 85 per cent of all Muslims. For a Russia intent on repositioning itself across a land mass that includes most of the former Soviet Union, Sunni Islamists of the kind now fighting the Assad regime are its principal antagonists.

Iranian sources say they liaise constantly with Moscow, and that while Hizballah’s overall withdrawal from Syria is likely to be completed soon – with the maintenance of the militia’s ‘intelligence’ teams inside Syria – Iran’s support for Damascus will grow rather than wither. They point out that the Taliban recently sent a formal delegation for talks in Tehran and that America will need Iran’s help in withdrawing from Afghanistan. The US, the Iranians say, will not be able to take its armour and equipment out of the country during its continuing war against the Taliban without Iran’s active assistance. One of the sources claimed – not without some mirth -- that the French were forced to leave 50 tanks behind when they left because they did not have Tehran’s help.

It is a sign of the changing historical template in the Middle East that within the framework of old Cold War rivalries between Washington and Moscow, Israel’s security has taken second place to the conflict in Syria. Indeed, Israel’s policies in the region have been knocked askew by the Arab revolutions, leaving its prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, hopelessly adrift amid the historic changes.

Only once over the past two years has Israel fully condemned atrocities committed by the Assad regime, and while it has given medical help to wounded rebels on the Israeli-Syrian border, it fears an Islamist caliphate in Damascus far more than a continuation of Assad’s rule. One former Israel intelligence commander recently described Assad as “Israel’s man in Damascus”. Only days before President Mubarak was overthrown, both Netanyahu and King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called Washington to ask Obama to save the Egyptian dictator. In vain.

If the Arab world has itself been overwhelmed by the two years of revolutions, none will have suffered from the Syrian war in the long term more than the Palestinians. The land they wish to call their future state has been so populated with Jewish Israeli colonists that it can no longer be either secure or ‘viable’. ‘Peace’ envoy Tony Blair’s attempts to create such a state have been laughable. A future ‘Palestine’ would be a Sunni nation. But today, Washington scarcely mentions the Palestinians.

Another of the region’s supreme ironies is that Hamas, supposedly the ‘super-terrorists’ of Gaza, have abandoned Damascus and now support the Gulf Arabs’ desire to crush Assad. Syrian government forces claim that Hamas has even trained Syrian rebels in the manufacture and use of home-made rockets.

In Arab eyes, Israel’s 2006 war against the Shia Hizballah was an attempt to strike at the heart of Iran. The West’s support for Syrian rebels is a strategic attempt to crush Iran. But Iran is going to take the offensive. Even for the Middle East, these are high stakes. Against this fearful background, the Palestinian tragedy continues.

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
This situation is going to get really bad, Iran does not know how to back down, they might be good at some things but diplomacy is not thier strong point

If they do indeed send in troops which by all accounts would not suprise me then Qatar and Saudi Arabia will try and counter this by sending on other arms, who will be the losers the Syrian people of which 100,000 already are dead

Hezbollah has openly declared alliance to Assad until the end and Hassan Nasrallah has stated he will join the fight, this is a recipe for disaster

It has the danger to escalate into a regional conflict this is not just about Syria now
 

muddie

Junior Member
This situation is going to get really bad, Iran does not know how to back down, they might be good at some things but diplomacy is not thier strong point

If they do indeed send in troops which by all accounts would not suprise me then Qatar and Saudi Arabia will try and counter this by sending on other arms, who will be the losers the Syrian people of which 100,000 already are dead

Hezbollah has openly declared alliance to Assad until the end and Hassan Nasrallah has stated he will join the fight, this is a recipe for disaster

It has the danger to escalate into a regional conflict this is not just about Syria now

Syria is important to Iran and Iran will not give it up without a fight, I am more interested in what the 4000 Iranian troops will bring with them in terms of arms. I don't think the US will try to enforce a no fly zone or any other kind of intervention without further justification for doing so. Syria does have capable AA and it will be very hard for Obama to justify loses to the American public without good reason.

US/NATO/Saudi Arabia can arm the rebels with more Aks/RPGs or even stingers and anti-tank weapons but it won't change the tide of war, only make it longer. Unless US and EU is willing to arm the rebels with game changing weapons followed by high level training, the rebels can't beat Assad conventionally.
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Syria is important to Iran and Iran will not give it up without a fight, I am more interested in what the 4000 Iranian troops will bring with them in terms of arms. I don't think the US will try to enforce a no fly zone or any other kind of intervention without further justification for doing so. Syria does have capable AA and it will be very hard for Obama to justify loses to the American public without good reason.

US/NATO/Saudi Arabia can arm the rebels with more Aks/RPGs or even stingers and anti-tank weapons but it won't change the tide of war, only make it longer. Unless US and EU is willing to arm the rebels with game changing weapons followed by high level training, the rebels can't beat Assad conventionally.

If you look at the fighting both sides are pretty dire when it comes to war, poor tactics, poor stratedgy and even trained rebels have poor overall planning, the fighting is simply sporadic using "spray and pray" tactics, and because both sides don't really have a clue how to even engage in a proper fire fight so they turn to brutal methods out of desperatation

What will Iran bring, same as what Hezbollah brought to the battle field, organisation and much more professional soldiers, the equipment isn't what matters the most, it's the men doing the fighting and more importantly who leads them

Iran has much better leadership in guerilla warfare it can co-ordinate and plan the ground war far better than anyone currently can and then you will see repeat of Qusair and towns starting to fall under Assad forces, in my opinion Irans involvement will cause a much escalation in the war, infact it was Irans planners who advised Assads forces on how to take back Aleppo, first they captured two towns on the outskirts, dug in, re-enforced it achieved logistical link and then used those two towns as a staging post to further push deeper into Aleppo while at the same time air power was actually used to soften up targets prior to the ground assault, this type of war favours Iran they have been doing it for years now

Qatar and Saudi Arabia are probably thinking they have bit off much more than they can chew because now its direct war between Iran and GCC
 

no_name

Colonel
80 thousand from Hezbollah going to storm Aleppo.

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Al Arabiya
Some 80 thousand military forces trained by Lebanese Hezbollah were preparing to launch a ground offensive to recapture Syria’s commercial city of Aleppo.
According to a report in the UK-based Sunday Times, a Hezbollah commander said the fighters belonging to Syria’s National Defense Force (NDF) have been taught “to fight street by street.”
The fighters were also trained by Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, the newspaper added.
The commander on Sunday said Hezbollah will not deploy its fighters in Aleppo, but will only provide tactical support for forces loyal to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.
“The battle for Aleppo will be fought by the NDF and the Syrian army, with Hezbollah supervising and providing military tactical advice on how to coordinate and conduct the offensive,” the Hezbollah commander said as quote by Sunday Times.
“It will consist mainly of commanders and experts advising and planning together with the Syrian army’s commanders in charge of Aleppo, on how best to utilize the men on the ground, how to advance and where to fight,” he added.
The planned assault on Aleppo aims to drive back Syrian opposition fighters who have been in control of the country’s second city.
Earlier this month, Assad forces regained control over the strategic town of Qusayr in Homs with the help of Hezbollah’s militia.

Regaining Aleppo “would strengthen the growing impression” that Assad is winning the war, the newspaper said.
On Friday, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said his militia’s intervention in Syria came in response to a “global project” led by the United States and Israel to control not only Syria but the Middle East as a whole.
The Hezbollah commander told the Sunday Times their group intervened in Qusayr because of the direct threat Syria’s Jabaht al-Nursa, extremist Islamist group affiliated with al-Qaeda, to Lebanon’s borders.
“Aleppo is more of a Syrian matter,” he said, adding that the group will continue its supportive efforts because it wants to “ensure the survival of Assad’s regime” to preserve what it considers “the axis of resistance” against Israel.
The Iran-backed group, a close ally of Assad, initially justified its involvement in the Syrian conflict by saying that it wanted to defend villages along the border where Lebanese Shiites live, and the Sayyeda Zeinab shrine near Damascus, which is revered by Shiites around the world.
Meanwhile, Syrian opposition activists have reported that regime forces fired 700 missiles on Sunday towards southern Damascus.

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muddie

Junior Member
80 thousand from Hezbollah going to storm Aleppo.

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Bet satellites from all major military powers is watching over this place.

Is there another source on that figure? I don't believe that Assad can muster up 80,000 troops. The entire Syrian ground forces is only about 200,000 pre-war, I don't think Assad will/can dedicate almost half on this offense.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Is there another source on that figure? I don't believe that Assad can muster up 80,000 troops. The entire Syrian ground forces is only about 200,000 pre-war, I don't think Assad will/can dedicate almost half on this offense.

Contrary to western media claims, this has always been in effect a sectarian war. Thus, while the anti-government forces have had an influx of fighters from all over the Middle East and Africa joining in on the Sunni side, the Alawites, Shias and even some Christine populations have been taking up arms and joining the government forces. That is on top of the other Shias coming in across the boarder from places like Iraq and Iran to also fight on Assad's side.

Because of these influxes, it is entirely possible that Assad's ground forces have swelled in size since their pre-conflict peacetime standing size. On the other hand, a little exaggeration would hardly be surprising if the government forces want to scare some rebel fighters into fleeing or surrendering when battle is joined.
 

no_name

Colonel
Is there another source on that figure? I don't believe that Assad can muster up 80,000 troops. The entire Syrian ground forces is only about 200,000 pre-war, I don't think Assad will/can dedicate almost half on this offense.

Well, just look at the size of US army prior to start of the American civil war and during. Such is the effect of sectarian violence.
 
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