056 class FFL/corvette

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OK, maybe my imagination's running a little wild for the Type 056. China does have many obsolete boats that would be nice if they were all replaced by 056s regardless of whether it is a good anti-submarine asset. Hope I at least don't get disappointed about UAVs operating from them.
 

hmmwv

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OK, maybe my imagination's running a little wild for the Type 056. China does have many obsolete boats that would be nice if they were all replaced by 056s regardless of whether it is a good anti-submarine asset. Hope I at least don't get disappointed about UAVs operating from them.

There is no organic UAV facility onboard, but it doesn't take much to be able to operate a UAV on a 056.
 

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The first 056 (No. 596) has apparently joined the HK garrison as Huizhou.

UAVs should be able to land on 056 no problem. Heck, we've even seen a Z-9 model on its helipad.
 

andyhugfan

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What does it mean when a ship doesn't have 'organic facility'? I guess they can't make repair to the heli or something like that, but can a heli be refuelled and/or re-armed then? :confused:
 

asif iqbal

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Type 056 with a model of Z9C

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But yes question is, does it have refuelling and re-arming capabilty
 

luhai

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Don't know about refueling, but re-arming is easier. Just make sure the ship have the munitioned needed by Z-9C in storage. There seems to be plenty of space to operation, though only in good weather.

Early Arleigh Burke class also don't have hangers, but has a helipad. Can they be refueled and re-armed
 
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plawolf

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What's the point in setting all that space aside for the helipad if there are no refuelling and rearming facilities onboard also? It would hardly require some engineering miracle to put in a tank, hose and racks for torpedoes and sonarbuoys etc now would it?
 

Mysterre

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Don't know about refueling, but re-arming is easier. Just make sure the ship have the munitioned needed by Z-9C in storage. There seems to be plenty of space to operation, though only in good weather.

Early Arleigh Burke class also don't have hangers, but has a helipad. Can they be refueled and re-armed
I think it's much more reasonable to assume that they could refuel, but rearming is another matter entirely.

What's the point in setting all that space aside for the helipad if there are no refuelling and rearming facilities onboard also? It would hardly require some engineering miracle to put in a tank, hose and racks for torpedoes and sonarbuoys etc now would it?
A helipad for rapid loading and offloading of personnel and supplies is entirely reasonable and well within the expected scope of a non-hangared corvette. Hell, even cruise ships and large yahts have helipads. Space, however is not free, and it is not automatically to be assumed that the presence of a helipad means that the corvette will also set aside even more space for extra torpedoes and sonobuoys. A small amount of aircraft-grade fuel is more reasonable because it can be used on all helos that land on the corvette and obviously is much more integral to the operation (even survival) of a helo than weapons and sensors that can only be used by ASW helos.
 

plawolf

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I think it's much more reasonable to assume that they could refuel, but rearming is another matter entirely.


A helipad for rapid loading and offloading of personnel and supplies is entirely reasonable and well within the expected scope of a non-hangared corvette. Hell, even cruise ships and large yahts have helipads. Space, however is not free, and it is not automatically to be assumed that the presence of a helipad means that the corvette will also set aside even more space for extra torpedoes and sonobuoys. A small amount of aircraft-grade fuel is more reasonable because it can be used on all helos that land on the corvette and obviously is much more integral to the operation (even survival) of a helo than weapons and sensors that can only be used by ASW helos.

Well just look at how much space is set aside for the helipad on the 056 proportionate to the overall size of the ship. It has the same sized helipad as the much bigger 054A class, while most warships (comparing civilian ships to warships is comparing apples to oranges as i know of no cruise ships or yachts that needs torpedo armed helos;)) of the 056's size made do with much smaller helipads both in absolute and proportional terms.

It is precisely because space is precious on ships, especially small ships that we really need to ask ourselves exactly why they had allocated so much precious space to have such a bigass helipad on such a small ship. It would be pretty silly to assume the designers made this big design choice without good reason. Having already 'spent' all that space on a helipad comfortably big enough to re-arm helos on (as opposed to just big enough to land on to offload personnel or VREP supplies), it would seem like a complete dumbass thing to do to not set aside the relatively tiny extra amount to space needed to store a few torpedoes and sonobuoys.
 

Mysterre

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Well just look at how much space is set aside for the helipad on the 056 proportionate to the overall size of the ship. It has the same sized helipad as the much bigger 054A class, while most warships (comparing civilian ships to warships is comparing apples to oranges as i know of no cruise ships or yachts that needs torpedo armed helos;)) of the 056's size made do with much smaller helipads both in absolute and proportional terms.

It is precisely because space is precious on ships, especially small ships that we really need to ask ourselves exactly why they had allocated so much precious space to have such a bigass helipad on such a small ship. It would be pretty silly to assume the designers made this big design choice without good reason. Having already 'spent' all that space on a helipad comfortably big enough to re-arm helos on (as opposed to just big enough to land on to offload personnel or VREP supplies), it would seem like a complete dumbass thing to do to not set aside the relatively tiny extra amount to space needed to store a few torpedoes and sonobuoys.
It just looks bigger because of the small size of the 056, but the helipad by surface area is actually smaller than any of the other helipads used on modern PLAN vessels. It is the same length when measured from bow to stern, but much less when measured from port to starboard, because of the ship's smaller beam. I think its relative size is a safety thing rather than a "let's place emphasis on 056 ASW capabilities" thing. My comparison to civilian ships was meant to point out that having a helipad is so useful that even civilian ships (that obviously don't perform ASW) also have helipads. The convenience (and perhaps even necessity) of having a helipad for rapid transfer of personnel and supplies cannot be understated. IMO any warship large enough to have one, will. Even if it does not also have room for a hangar, or the ability to rearm ASW helos.
 
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