World News Thread & Breaking News!!

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jackliu

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Jackliu, I know that you know better than this, and that you yourself are better than this.

In this one post you have criticized a moderator, attacked another member of the forum, and thrown the F-Bomb in the process, all of which are against the rules on SD.

Why do you do this? There's no need for it.

You can make your points without the language. If you have a problem with Popeye or any other moderator, PM them and work with them. I have found them all easy to work with over the years I have been here. Same thing when there's an issue with other posters.

If you can't work it out with the other poster, simply post you issues with reasoned dialog and then ignore them.

Some of us have kids and grandkids we show this forum to and have them read in an effort to educate them about naval matters. Your use of this type of language keeps us from being able to make SD the kind of place we want to bring them to learn.

Wow... seriously dude, what is with you lately, don't you have other things to do than constantly getting on my back? And if you are so sensitive about F-bomb, why did you quote the F-bomb to expose more people to reading it?

And do you actually have anything useful to add to the discussion or is that your personal hobby to tracking my post and getting on my back?

Or why don't you take your own advice, and PM me instead of posting here just like what you are preaching I should have done? Or let me guess, you will win some brownie points calling me out in public?
 
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Jeff Head

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US send in the army and drove all the way into Mexico City and annexed half of Mexico territory when all is said done and over. I mean, I'm sure you have no problem with this right? You have no problem with China following the USA's action on Mexico territorial disputes by invade Philippine with force?

Please learn some history before you actually type.
Actually, Jackliu, you gross over simplification of that war in an effort to make the US look like a war monger is not how it happened at all.

I am very familiar with Texas history and US history, and you can do any serious study of that War and what led to it by reading some serious schloarly material instead of relying on Wikipedia. I have referred some of those books to you in the past. You can start with "So Far from God: The U.S. War With Mexico, 1846-1848," and go from there. I have several others that serve as in depth references when you are finished with that one.

There were negotiations leading up to the 1845 treaty the made Texas a part of the United States, and then afterwards.

But the real rub was that the Mexican government did not like having lost Texas in the Texas Revolution of 1836, and the treaty Santa Anna was forced to sign when he lost the Battle of San Jacinto in 1836. Mexico hoped they could get Texas back, but they knew annexation by the United States would make that almost impossible.

Despite that, there were negotiations and talk regarding the border, first by Texas, who, as a weaker nation, the Mexicans regularly disrespected and violated with incursions over the border, including far past the Nueces River, and then late, for a year with the United States after annexation. US President Polk sent his emissary, John Slidell to negotiate with the Meican government...but over the space of a year, two successive Mexican government's refused to meet with him and discuss his proposals.

That's because even after Texas was annexed, the Mexican government sent units of their military across the border. Finally, General Zackery Taylor was ordered by U.S. President Polk to patrol the disputed border lands and insure that there were no more Mexican incursions. Fighting began on April 24, 1846 when Mexican cavalry captured one of the American detachments near the Rio Grande, killing 16 of them. After that border clash there came the battles at Palo Alto and Resaca de la Palma, Polk requested a declaration of war and it was granted by Congress on May 13, 1846. Mexico declared war on the United States on May 23, 1846, and that's how the war started.

And yes, once it started, the US drove all the way to Mexico City (in a very dangerous and often over extended campaign that could easily have gone very wrong). But, in the end, the US defeated Mexico, and occupied their capitol until they signed the peace treaty. In that treaty, they were punished for their actions, the disputed lands all the way to California (which around the same time effected its own independence from Mexico) were ceded to the United States, but the Mexicans were actually paid for it a total of $15 million dollars, and the US assuming over $3 million more in claims by US citizens (which is not what a war monger and tyrant does. A complete tyrant just takes it...all of it.) Whatever you may want to say, Mexico lost that war, and they signed the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The US and Mexico have recognized those borders ever since.

So, please take your own advise and learn more about what happened before you quote Wikipedia as some kind of authoritative source. It is not.

Anyhow, come on, Jackliu, just what has any of that old history got to do with World News today, anyway?

Almost sounds like you are behaving exactly as those whom you complain about.
 

Jeff Head

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Wow... seriously dude, what is with you lately, don't you have other things to do than constantly getting on my back? And if you are so sensitive about F-bomb, why did you quote the F-bomb to expose more people to reading it?

And do you actually have anything useful to add to the discussion or is that your personal hobby to tracking my post and getting on my back?

Or why don't you take your own advice, and PM me instead of posting here just like what you are preaching I should have done? Or let me guess, you will win some brownie points calling me out in public?
Just trying to give you some friendly advise, Jackliu, not looking for, nor do I desire or need any "brownie" points. Take it or leave it. It's your call.

As to why I quoted you...well, it's clear. That's what you said...and I quoted your own words back to you on a public forum.

I'm not following you around in the least (please, don't flatter yourself), nor do I have a desire to. I read and watch the World News thread and many others, whether you post on them or not. I saw what you said, and took issue with it because it violates the rules of the forum, and, as I said, I have grandkids reading this stuff and would rather them not see it. Simple as that.

Seems like you can dish out advise to others very harshly and have no problem with it...but cannot take any simple, reasoned advise directed back your way. That's what it seems like to me.

...and, if you have no problem with your own words being astricted...I will be happy to do so.

---- after 11 PM ----

Oh, and I see now that you have removed your "F-Bomb." Seems me pointing it out was reason enough for you to remove it. Glad you did. Thanks.

And, I'll not be responding again on the old Texas history. A war was fought. Mexico fired the first shots and killed Americans. America delcared war as did Mexico. Mexico lost.
 
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cn_habs

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@Jeff:

Both Jack and you seem to have shown a lot of bias when it comes to defending your respective countries which weren't exactly built on the foundation of peace throughout their history. No matter how someone spins it, the world has always been built on the foundation of "survival of the fittest" not "survival of the nicest".

Looking back at the person who derailed everything, I think his posting ASEAN-related news in this "Worlds News" thread when there's a whole other "ASEAN News" thread is clearly double posting and implicitly stirring up trouble in a predominantly Chinese forum. For instance, try flooding anti-Israeli news in different threads on MP.net and see. Simple cause and effect.
 
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jackliu

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Actually, Jackliu, you gross over simplification of that war in an effort to make the US look like a war monger is not how it happened at all.

I am very familiar with Texas history and US history, and you can do any serious study of that War and what led to it by reading some serious schloarly material instead of relying on Wikipedia. I have referred some of those books to you in the past. You can start with "So Far from God: The U.S. War With Mexico, 1846-1848," and go from there. I have several others that serve as in depth references when you are finished with that one.

There were negotiations leading up to the 1845 treaty the made Texas a part of the United States, and then afterwards.

But the real rub was that the Mexican government did not like having lost Texas in the Texas Revolution of 1836, and the treaty Santa Anna was forced to sign when he lost the Battle of San Jacinto in 1836. Mexico hoped they could get Texas back, but they knew annexation by the United States would make that almost impossible.

Despite that, there were negotiations and talk regarding the border, first by Texas, who, as a weaker nation, the Mexicans regularly disrespected and violated with incursions over the border, including far past the Nueces River, and then late, for a year with the United States after annexation. US President Polk sent his emissary, John Slidell to negotiate with the Meican government...but over the space of a year, two successive Mexican government's refused to meet with him and discuss his proposals.

That's because even after Texas was annexed, the Mexican government sent units of their military across the border. Finally, General Zackery Taylor was ordered by U.S. President Polk to patrol the disputed border lands and insure that there were no more Mexican incursions. Fighting began on April 24, 1846 when Mexican cavalry captured one of the American detachments near the Rio Grande, killing 16 of them. After that border clash there came the battles at Palo Alto and Resaca de la Palma, Polk requested a declaration of war and it was granted by Congress on May 13, 1846. Mexico declared war on the United States on May 23, 1846, and that's how the war started.

And yes, once it started, the US drove all the way to Mexico City (in a very dangerous and often over extended campaign that could easily have gone very wrong). But, in the end, the US defeated Mexico, and occupied their capitol until they signed the peace treaty. In that treaty, they were punished for their actions, the disputed lands all the way to California (which around the same time effected its own independence from Mexico) were ceded to the United States, but the Mexicans were actually paid for it a total of $15 million dollars, and the US assuming over $3 million more in claims by US citizens (which is not what a war monger and tyrant does. A complete tyrant just takes it...all of it.) Whatever you may want to say, Mexico lost that war, and they signed the treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo. The US and Mexico have recognized those borders ever since.

So, please take your own advise and learn more about what happened before you quote Wikipedia as some kind of authoritative source. It is not.

Anyhow, come on, Jackliu, just what has any of that old history got to do with World News today, anyway?

Almost sounds like you are behaving exactly as those whom you complain about.

So you do agree there was an border disagreement between US and Mexico. And as war escalated US drove all the way into Mexico city. (And no, just because the war would gone either way is NOT a damn excuse for invasion of the other nation's capital city)

And as the victor of the war, it impose the treaty which took away half of Mexico land. But yes, the irony is... hey I know you didn't want to sell it to us like we have repeated ask you before the war, but hey here is some money, take it or leave it. Either way, we got the land we wanted.

This is pretty much like you asking to pay a girl for sex, she refuses, you then rape her by force and afterwards, you throw some dollar bill at her feet... to justify the point that it was consensual sex LOL.

The US invasion on Mexico was NOT consensual on Mexico's part, and Mexico's cession of the land to US was NOT volunteer, the contract was signed under duress. Just because you paid them AFTER you conquered their land does not make it happy relationship... YES it does make you a war monger and a tyrant.

As to how his this relevant to this "world news" trend? Did you even see what was I replying to? The other guy said China is the bullying here and US is the saint because US would never use force to settle border dispute, so that post was directly targeted at him, you getting old Jeff? Please pay attention and follow the conversation, it ain't that hard.

And I find it equally hilarious that AFTER you made a off topic post just as long as I have to express your point of view, then you get on your high horse and saying come on Jack? Don't get off topic. Oh the irony.... I'm loving it, I hope you do as well Jeff.
 
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jackliu

Banned Idiot
Just trying to give you some friendly advise, Jackliu, not looking for, nor do I desire or need any "brownie" points. Take it or leave it. It's your call.

As to why I quoted you...well, it's clear. That's what you said...and I quoted your own words back to you on a public forum.

I'm not following you around in the least (please, don't flatter yourself), nor do I have a desire to. I read and watch the World News thread and many others, whether you post on them or not. I saw what you said, and took issue with it because it violates the rules of the forum, ad, as I said, I have grandkids reding this stuff and would rather them not see it. Simple as that.

Seems like you can dish out advise to others very harshly and have no problem with it...but cannot take any simple, reasoned advise directed back your way. That's what it seems like to me.

...and, if you have no problem with your own words being astricted...I will be happy to do so.

Look who's talking, please remember YOU are the one that make that post specially calling me out, and I am just directing exactly what you told me RIGHT BACK AT YA.

1. You act as if dropping the F-bomb is a BIG deal, then you preceded quote my F-bomb and point out for everyone to see, so much for you wanting to show this forum to your "kids and grandkids" I'm sure they will appreciate their grandpa point out exactly where the F-bomb is for them to easily spot.

2. You said if I have problem with mod or other members I should just PM them... but if you really wanted to express that you would have PM me instead of dragging this all out for the world to see, clearly you are violating your own advice, so what right do you have to lecture others?

3. Yeah sure you are not following me around, but it sure seems that way, this is the 2nd trend that you deliberately pick a fight with me on SDF. Keep it coming, as long as you got the fuel, I got that ammo.

Seems like you can dish out advise to others very harshly and have no problem with it...but cannot take any simple, reasoned advise directed back your way. That's what it seems like to me.

Thank you for typing it out for me, that pretty much describe you 100% accurately.
 
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Jeff Head

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Look who's talking, please remember YOU are the one that make that post specially calling me out, and I am just directing exactly what you told me RIGHT BACK AT YA.

Thank you for typing it out for me, that pretty much describe you 100% accurately.
Yea, yea, yea...whatever Jack. Throwing my discourse to you back at me as if though that is your thinking is a weak and shallow arguement, and it does not change a thing.

I do notice you removed the F-bomb in your earlier post. I'm glad I could point it out to you all the more now. Really, a simple, "oops, I'm sorry", would have sufficed and reflected much better on you instead of all this justifaction and somehow trying to demonize me for pointing it out.

But, thanks for removing it just the same.

As to Texas, like I tagged onto my earlier post. After this, I'll not be responding again on the old Texas history. Mexico fired the first shots and killed Americans. They should not have done that particularly while the US had an envoy in their capitol trying to negotiate the border issue. America delcared war as did Mexico. The war was fought. Mexico lost.
 

ManilaBoy45

Junior Member
Yea, yea, yea...whatever Jack. Throwing my discourse to you back at me as if though that is your thinking is a weak and shallow arguement, and it does not change a thing.

I do notice you removed the F-bomb in your earlier post. I'm glad I could point it out to you all the more now. Really, a simple, "oops, I'm sorry", would have sufficed and reflected much better on you instead of all this justifaction and somehow trying to demonize me for pointing it out.

But, thanks for removing it just the same.

As to Texas, like I tagged onto my earlier post. After this, I'll not be responding again on the old Texas history. Mexico fired the first shots and killed Americans. They should not have done that particularly while the US had an envoy in their capitol trying to negotiate the border issue. America delcared war as did Mexico. The war was fought. Mexico lost.

Yes he did but I have already sent a copy of the F-word statement that he posted to the moderators yesterday ...
 
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PikeCowboy

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Point is: breaking news is not minute by minute bulletins on Philippine and Vietnamese grievances against Chinese civilian policies. It's verging on spamming especially since only one side of the story is being posted.

Both Philippine and Vietnam have got just as huge a claim on the SCS as China does and I don't see why China needs to back down just because its stronger than the two. Considering that China could just claim somebody fired a shot or rammed a Chinese ship and killed somebody as an excuse to declare war, current state of affairs is pretty tame. China is still being very peaceful using only civilian organizations in the dispute so this level of postings on the same subject is not warranted and strongly suggests a underlying agenda. :(
 
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