Does China possess the technical ability to develop MIRV technology for ICBM?

CottageLV

Banned Idiot
Yes I did. Your message was asserting that China did not have the capability to develop and deploy MIRVs. I countered that with a fact. None of us know for sure if China can develop and deploy MIRVs, as the only countries to have carried out actual MIRV tests, photographed the results and published them is the US and the USSR (not Russia; does this mean Russia lost the capability to make MIRVs? Something to ponder), but there is evidence that China has done something related and arguably more difficult.

You also asserted that ballistic vests are not widely equipped. My counter assertion is that in real combat training (vs. physical training), ballistic vests are worn. They are less bulky and more flexible than the Western counterparts in fact, from photos easily accessible on google.

Man, use some logic when you rebuttal my point. I was saying that China could but doesn't mean it already for sure done it. One example would be the DF21. There are countless rumours on this subject, but until now, there are no evidences of it whatsoever.

Those articles grossly exaggerating China's capability is just as laughable as those greatly understating it.

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As for not using the vests in training and only using it in real battles.

If you have a son, whom is 15 and is amazing at racing simulation and FPS games. Would you allow him to play with real guns without adults around or letting him drive a Ferrari down the road on his own?

That was a bit cheesy. Let's say that a kid is amazing at flight simulators, would you trust him enough to put your life in his hand? Sitting in a fighter jet with him, letting him taking control?
 

below_freezing

New Member
Man, use some logic when you rebuttal my point. I was saying that China could but doesn't mean it already for sure done it. One example would be the DF21. There are countless rumours on this subject, but until now, there are no evidences of it whatsoever.

Those articles grossly exaggerating China's capability is just as laughable as those greatly understating it.

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As for not using the vests in training and only using it in real battles.

If you have a son, whom is 15 and is amazing at racing simulation and FPS games. Would you allow him to play with real guns without adults around or letting him drive a Ferrari down the road on his own?

That was a bit cheesy. Let's say that a kid is amazing at flight simulators, would you trust him enough to put your life in his hand? Sitting in a fighter jet with him, letting him taking control?

Then no one knows anything, is there? What is China's "real ability" then? There is just as scant evidence of Russian MIRV in fact, because no one has seen a Russian test. All we have is the Pentagon's assertion that Russia possesses MIRVs - the same assertion that the Pentagon made regarding the DF-21.

As for the bulletproof vests, you have misread my statement. You can use google and find countless pictures of Chinese soldiers wearing bulletproof vests in military exercises and countless pictures of US soldiers not wearing bulletproof vests in ordinary training. Otherwise you are being intellectually dishonest.
 

Igor

Banned Idiot
This is one of the dumbest threads to have graced this fine forum sub-section.

Next: Does China possess the technical capability to develop trucks.
 

CottageLV

Banned Idiot
believe it not, specialized engines and transmissions used in extra large trucks are still udingimported, even military trucks, including icbm carriers
 

antiterror13

Brigadier
believe it not, specialized engines and transmissions used in extra large trucks are still udingimported, even military trucks, including icbm carriers

yeahhh believe what you want to believe !

There is no proof China can make stepper or even needle, the technology has to be imported , perhaps from North Korea or Vietnam :)
 

T-Rex

Just Hatched
Registered Member
believe it not, specialized engines and transmissions used in extra large trucks are still udingimported, even military trucks, including icbm carriers

Where do you get this kind of information or to be more precise, who feeds you this kind of information?
 

CottageLV

Banned Idiot
Perhaps he doesn't know .. so he is assuming .. like his baby steppers :) .. typical

Are you intellectually challenged or have problem with your memory? Reread my posts before commenting. I mentioned time and time again that China is now able to make steppers and etching machine, two most important machines in the semiconductor industry. I emphasized on its importance to a country's overall national competitiveness, while you kept jabbering how it is unimportant and how high powered lasers and software are more important. When I repeated my re-emphasis on this it, you begun to attack me and stupidly mis-remembered, thinking I was criticizing the Chinese semi-conductor industry. You later kept using the term "baby stepper", which makes no sense, instead makes yourself look like a fool.

Again, use your brain before rebutting other people's comments. Even if you might now agree with someone else's opinion, learn to agree that it's okay to have disagreement, that is called mutual respect. We are all living outside of China, in the West, there is something called freedom of speech and we respect each other despite of difference of opinions. This is not in China, where you get house arrested and beaten for saying something.

Even if you are debating simply from a technical approach, use common sense, don't make up stuff. This is a professional forum, not a trash talk dump like Sina or 6park.com. If you don't agree with my opinion, rebut it with evidence and proof, don't bullshit and repetitively use "baby stepper" as your attack motto.

I have held back for a long time, but enough is enough. Someone has to tell you the truth and it is time to grow up.

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Where do you get this kind of information or to be more precise, who feeds you this kind of information?

Where do I get those info? Sina.com, military section. As much as most those netizens have wetdreams during daylight, some of them are still sober and acknowledge China's need for improvement, instead of just always hail Mao and believe China can conquer the world.

Remember the mobile missile platform used in the recent NK parade? That actually came from China, it is coded WS51200. It uses Uncle Sam's Cummins engines and Kraut ZF transmissions. The only thing made in China is the metal frame.

If you don't believe me, just go check it out.

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This trash talking is getting so f*&king ridiculous, I feel like we're back in highschool again.

Back onto topic.

Currently the discussion is still solely based on what we think and what the politicians think. There are no formal technical articles or credible/prestigious reviews. Neither are we seeing any related news leak from CCTV.

So far the speculated DF-41, JL-2 and DF-21 ASM's are all mere speculation with no factual proofs. DF21 anti carrier missile begun with bunch of daydream netizens on Chinese sites bullshiting their ass off. Then somehow Western media caught onto this and used it against China in the China threat campaign. Somehow even Pentagon got hold onto this and used it as a tool to get more money from the congress and to further boost the China threat stigma.

We can't just assume something is real without hard evidence. For example, J-20 is real, no one can doubt it. WZ-10 is real.
Chinese cruise missiles are real. Even the X-37-like vehicle is real, because we have confirmed it from un-CG/PS'ed pictures. What hard evidences can be made on the MIRV? Perhaps even DF-21 anti carrier missile and JL-2?

You can't even find credible Chinese academic articles on them.
 
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