The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

plawolf

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... and they still fly those "B" while their latest model are "G"? What does that imply? Later and latest models are export only and PLAAF continue to fly those old "B" for fun!

It implies that the PLAAF is moving away from the J7. There is little point in equipping a unit with J7Gs now when they are slated to get J10s or J11s in a few years time.
 

ZELEGEND

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Does anyone know if the J-7PG (given to Pak) have been made BVR capable given the Mig-21 BISON BVR capability? If so, what BVR missiles are Pak using on the F-7?
 

Deino

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Does anyone know if the J-7PG (given to Pak) have been made BVR capable given the Mig-21 BISON BVR capability? If so, what BVR missiles are Pak using on the F-7?

Why ?? Both versions have nothing avionic wise) in common - the Indian version is a Russian/International update, the F-7PG a Chinese version, which has - like all other Chinese Fishbeds - no BVR-capability.

Deino
 

ZELEGEND

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Why ?? Both versions have nothing avionic wise) in common - the Indian version is a Russian/International update, the F-7PG a Chinese version, which has - like all other Chinese Fishbeds - no BVR-capability.

Deino

Sorry, I should have made myself a little more clear.

Main reason being that the F-7PG would be need to be upgraded to counter the Mig21 BISON given aircraft numbers on both sides.

PAK have upgraded their F-7PG with new radars, avionics and such and I was wondering whether they included support for BVR missiles.
 

Deino

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No need to apologise ... but in regard to Your question; as far as I know NO !
 

Lion

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Sorry, I should have made myself a little more clear.

Main reason being that the F-7PG would be need to be upgraded to counter the Mig21 BISON given aircraft numbers on both sides.

PAK have upgraded their F-7PG with new radars, avionics and such and I was wondering whether they included support for BVR missiles.

They have new JF-17 with BVRAAM SD-10.. Why bother to upgrade F-7PG? It's th same in PLAAF case.
 

plawolf

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Sorry, I should have made myself a little more clear.

Main reason being that the F-7PG would be need to be upgraded to counter the Mig21 BISON given aircraft numbers on both sides.

PAK have upgraded their F-7PG with new radars, avionics and such and I was wondering whether they included support for BVR missiles.

The Indian Mig21 Bisons are based on the Mig21MF airframe, which differs from the Mig21F the Chinese J/F-7PGs airframes are ultimately based on in that the MF has a larger nose cone. It is this larger nose cone that allows the installation of a BVR capable (barely) radar on the Bisons.

The Chinese also experimented with the MF after obtaining a few examples from Egypt, which led to the J7III. However, the sacrifices in agility in order to accommodate the bigger radar was judged to not be worth it, so the J7III only entered very limited service, and future J7 variants were all based on the original J7B airframe.

Because of this significant difference in the underlining airframe of the F7PG and Mig21M, the PG could not be upgraded with a Bison sized radar even if there was the funds and will to do so.
 

escobar

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