Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread
America want to control too much to any other's affairs ... the USA use it's weapon to press/control the owner of the fighters even let's say Pakistan paid full amount for it's F-16.
Just hypothetically scenario, if Pakistan attacked India with its F-16 ... the USA will be easily embargo Pakistan and will be no spare parts, engine and missiles for the F-16, even worse ... the USA could disable F-16 electronic or missiles remotely. Believe me they could do that.
I don't understand why countries still buying American weapons, I know it is superior compared to others, but the gap is narrower and narrower every day. French, China and Russia are the way to go for any weapon purchase, no string attached.
Bear in mind .... the USA maybe your friend now, may not be tomorrow ... the history tell us .. it is the case
well said, American is just friend for season, called seasonal friend
Pakistan has already learnt all the lesson, in 1980s we got 40 F16s, in 1989 we were under embargo until 2001, our F16 sqaudron flying hours were dramaticaly reduced, and during Kargil our CAP missions were seriously hindered
it was thanks to our freinds Turkey who supplied us F16 spares for almost 12 years illegally so we could keep our F16 fleet operational but only just, if it wasnt for Turkey we wouldnt be able to keep F16s in the air for so many years
there was a incident when a Turkish F16 crashed, Turkish authoritys recovered the wreckage, they found stealed source codes and when they broke into the codes this violated the US-Turkish agreement and US was annoyed about it
after that Turkey who is a Nato member and makes F16 parts, told US either to give the source or risk Turkey pulling out of all US deals, US approved the codes and today Turkey is going to re-write the software codes
we know Pakistani F16 also contain the trackers and codes, they can only operate inside Pakistan air space, this is why we cancelled the order from 71 F16 C/D Block 52+ to just 18 and requested more info from China on FC-20, and up the JF17 order
Pakistan knows exactly where it stands with US made F16s, but we do want them so we can have a mix of fighters and also provide us with a top end Western platform which to we can compare JF17 and FC-20
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And what makes you so sure the the French, Russians and Chinese do not install 'black boxes' (either physical or digital) in the weapons that they sell on the international market?
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french have proved again and again that they will sell to everyone and anyone as long as the price is right
they sold Agosta Submarines to us when everyone was refusing including the Germans, they sold India during the actual war targeting pods for Mirage 2000, when no Western country would sell to Saddam they sold Mirage F1
france dont like to follow Americans, they sell if they wish
China and Pakistan has a very close and unusual (in international relations terms) relationship with Pakistan that is only matched by the relationship between the USA and Israel, where the two sides will stand shoulder to shoulder through thick and thin. For everyone else, buying weapons from anyone carries the risk of spares and munitions being cut off when they need them the most. It just cannot be helped, and that is one of the primary reasons why all the real major powers do and spend so much to make sure they are as self-reliant in terms of weapons and munitions as they can be.
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Israeli milks America for only its own purpose, they are known to double cross Americans and even go as far as killing them for thier own agendas, remember USS Liberty when they killed 34 Americans and injured 171 of them just to get USA into the war against Egypt in 1967
this is what seperates Pakistan and China from Israel and USA, we dont care about politics cus we are friends on personal basis
when Chinese visit Pakistan they do not wait in immigration lines nor do they face entry requirments for them its free, as our guests they are most wellcome
on the other hand, no matter what US does, Pakistan will always stand by China, simply reason, we have seen the commitment China has to Pakistan, over decades
in 1998 when Clinton fired Tomahawk missiles in Afghanistan a great number of them did not go off, they were captured by ISI and brought back in tac and shown to China, few years later Babur cruise missile was launched
even more recently a Predator drone was captured in almost working condition and reports seem to suggest it was also shared with China as was the tail rotor of the "stealth" blackhawk which was downed in the Bin Laden raid
India's primary strategy for a war with Pakistan seems to be to try and deliver a killer, knock out blow in the opening engagements (it seems to be their only strategy since they plan on doing pretty much the same thing in a war with China). That is probably because they recognize their own great vulnerability if a conflict does not end swiftly and turns into a war of attrition. In many ways, this reminds me of the overall battle strategy of the Imperial Japanese during WWII against America. As I recall, that didn't work out so well for the Japanese.
If India wants to be a real, independent military power in the world, they need to pull their thumbs out and develop an indigenous military industrial complex that isn't the butt of jokes.
this is true to a extent, it is said that Pakistan can sutain a full blown high tempo war for 7 days if they go all out, before we are low on stocks of ammunition
however we also know that because India has much more resources we need to use every aspect of warfare, each and every bullet counts, we need to utilize what we have to 100% so make things equal, so when we designed our national highways the military requirments were taken into account
in high mark PAF excersie even C130 were landed on our M1 motorways, our motorways are designed for land and takeoff for fighter aircraft and also arm and re-fuel
so we can make up for our lack of resources by using what we have more effciently
