taiwan missile defense and mainland missile

vesicles

Colonel
try to figure out how many PRC can fire those missile at once. 100, 150??

I'm no expert of missiles, but I imagine that if you can't fire them all up at once, how about firing volleys 3-5 seconds apart? To the attacked, it will all be the same. They won't have time to do anything.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I'm no expert of missiles, but I imagine that if you can't fire them all up at once, how about firing volleys 3-5 seconds apart? To the attacked, it will all be the same. They won't have time to do anything.

It takes a little more than 3-5 seconds to reload a ballistic missile onto a launcher. ;)

How many launchers China has is probably a question not even the likes of the Pentagon or the CIA could answer with any degree of confidence.

But then again, it's the same thing around with Taiwan. They might have hundreds of Patriots, but they can't fire them all off at once any more than China would fire all it's ballistic missiles in one volley.

The main issue is that you need to fire multiple SAMs for every incoming ballistic missiles to have a reasonable degree of confidence of intercepting it. Taiwan just doesn't have anywhere close to the number of missiles or launchers needed, and with the vast stockpiles of missiles and MLRS that China has, it would be next to impossible for Taiwan to ever hope to get enough missiles and launchers to have any hope of successfully stopping even a fraction of them.
 

Red___Sword

Junior Member
How many launchers China has is probably a question not even the likes of the Pentagon or the CIA could answer with any degree of confidence.

You didn't get it? That's the whole point of this thread - intel digging.

It sounds funny but most of the useful intel were being leaked by some not-impressed-internet-user, who being "chanllenged" by some funny question, and can not help to slip the mouth of some useful information to un-chanllenge those questions.

SDF is just such a good place to try the luck with.

The thing is, better try Chinese language forum. - Better odds to encounter an unprofessional slippery mouth.
 

s002wjh

Junior Member
You didn't get it? That's the whole point of this thread - intel digging.

It sounds funny but most of the useful intel were being leaked by some not-impressed-internet-user, who being "chanllenged" by some funny question, and can not help to slip the mouth of some useful information to un-chanllenge those questions.

SDF is just such a good place to try the luck with.

The thing is, better try Chinese language forum. - Better odds to encounter an unprofessional slippery mouth.

you read too many consipiracy books.
 

solarz

Brigadier
You didn't get it? That's the whole point of this thread - intel digging.

It sounds funny but most of the useful intel were being leaked by some not-impressed-internet-user, who being "chanllenged" by some funny question, and can not help to slip the mouth of some useful information to un-chanllenge those questions.

SDF is just such a good place to try the luck with.

The thing is, better try Chinese language forum. - Better odds to encounter an unprofessional slippery mouth.

Intel digging on internet forums is quite pointless since you have no way of verifying whether the information is true or not.
 

vesicles

Colonel
It takes a little more than 3-5 seconds to reload a ballistic missile onto a launcher. ;)

Thanks! In my mind, all the missiles would have their own little launchers and have been nicely loaded... Thanks for clearing that up for me!:)
 

Finn McCool

Captain
Registered Member
The Chinese could fire huge volleys of missiles at the start of conflict but these would be fired at pre-determined targets. The Taiwanese would probably have a pretty good idea of what the pre-determined targets are and if they were smart could reduce the effectiveness of the opening volley by dispersing their forces, replacing actual missile sites with dummy ones, and tactics like that.

In the last few years China has been trying to "take it to the next level" so that they can independently acquire targets rather than merely spam predetermined ones with lots of missiles. Hence the investment in UAVs.
 

Geographer

Junior Member
The Chinese could fire huge volleys of missiles at the start of conflict but these would be fired at pre-determined targets. The Taiwanese would probably have a pretty good idea of what the pre-determined targets are and if they were smart could reduce the effectiveness of the opening volley by dispersing their forces, replacing actual missile sites with dummy ones, and tactics like that.
True, but some sites can't be replicated. Ports, airfields, power plants, and bridges, for example. You can hide the planes and send the ships to sea, but the infrastructure is a sitting duck. If China launches a surprise attack, the ships, planes, oil, and munitions would all still be in their normal places. However, I think a surprise attach is highly unlikely given that China will try to establish a legal case for war by having a long run-up to a conflict that would give Taiwan ample warning.
 

solarz

Brigadier
True, but some sites can't be replicated. Ports, airfields, power plants, and bridges, for example. You can hide the planes and send the ships to sea, but the infrastructure is a sitting duck. If China launches a surprise attack, the ships, planes, oil, and munitions would all still be in their normal places. However, I think a surprise attach is highly unlikely given that China will try to establish a legal case for war by having a long run-up to a conflict that would give Taiwan ample warning.

True, but I think the real purpose of those missiles aren't to cripple Taiwan defenses, but to serve as cover fire for landing forces. If Taiwan can't scramble their air force because their jets are hiding in caves, or their airfields are covered with rubble, then the PLA landing forces will have a much easier time.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
True, but I think the real purpose of those missiles aren't to cripple Taiwan defenses, but to serve as cover fire for landing forces. If Taiwan can't scramble their air force because their jets are hiding in caves, or their airfields are covered with rubble, then the PLA landing forces will have a much easier time.
Let's hope and pray it never comes to that.

But, if it should, the PLAN will find as the US forces found when doing unbelievable bombarment of landing positions from World War II through the Korean and Vietnam Wars, that positions that are seriously prepared for said bombarment are never truly surpressed when the landings occur.

Time and again, when the defenders wanted to contest the landings, significant prepared defenses were still standing and available to give stiff resistance to the attacking forces. Even with those mighty 16 inch guns pounding those very positions with little contest and observers able to zero those weapons right in on target.

I expect...and again, hope it never has to be proven...that more ROC positions and equipment, including air, will survivie to place the contest in question from the first day, and particularly if the US makes its intentions to intervene clear. The ROC will attempt at all costs to hold out until such intervention comes.

I do not believe the PRC will start off attacking American assets, because that will only ensure US involvement and they will hope they can keep the US from doing so.

Anyhow, my two cents on this...and hope we can keep any such discussion from devolving into a PRC vs ROC or PRC vs US bickering contest. Not meant to be that way, just meant to say that the US found that all of the heavy preparations and supression in the world were not enough and the fighting was very tough, even in many cases right on the beach.
 
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