The Korean war

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FreeAsia2000

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Lavi said:
It was definetly NOT the US who started the war, it was North Korea that invaded the South, the US intervened on large scale after a UN resolution had been passed.

The Chinese intervention certainly stopped the UN-forces from winning the war and uniting Korea under a democratic regime, and when comparing the postions of North and South Korea today one can ask wheter this benefitted the North Koreans.
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Errm I think the majority of Koreans want to unite the country now...it seems that the US dosn't want peace because it wants to maintain it's bases.

As for 'democratic' regime...well elections in south korea are as free and fair as those in america...except there's no black people to incarcerate...

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bd popeye

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As for 'democratic' regime...well elections in south korea are as free and fair as those in america...except there's no black people to incarcerate...
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I don't know anything about voting in Korea. But I do about the US.

I'm black. I've voted in every election since 1972 when I was 18 and no one has thrown me in jail.

When I vote I have never been corecred to favor any candidate over another by anyone.

While voting rights violation occuried in the past in the USA..early 60's and back. They do not exist today. I know of no one of any race in the USA that was ever in the last 30+ years thrown into jail for trying to vote.

FreeAsia2000 your anti-US bias is getting tiresome.
 
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walter

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FreeAsia2000 said:
Errm I think the majority of Koreans want to unite the country now...it seems that the US dosn't want peace because it wants to maintain it's bases.

As for 'democratic' regime...well elections in south korea are as free and fair as those in america...except there's no black people to incarcerate...

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sure, blame the US. Did the US protest when Germany united?--NO. They even helped finance the process and they still have bases there. The difference between east and west Germany in 1990 and south and north Korean today is HUGE! Germany was ready for and wanted reunification. Is the same possible in the Koreas today?--I doubt it. Sure, they want reunification, but how on earth is that possible as long as Kim is in power?
 
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FreeAsia2000

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bd popeye said:
I don't know anything about voting in Korea. But I do about the US.

I'm black. I've voted in every election since 1972 when I was 18 and no one has thrown me in jail.
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I was referring to how the US 'justice' is more likely to incarcerate and subject black people to harsher punishment.

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Sorry if my attempt to restore the voice of afro-american and asian people's history is causing havoc with your sense of the perfect view of the land of the free and the home of the brave...i suggest you go and have a chat with colin "the lowest point" powell... :)
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anyway since we are getting :eek:ff

actually my point walter was that you should let the two parties sort out their differences. if the US withdrew South Korea would probably seek nukes for it's defense...there would be a stalemate for a while...then the north koreans would open up to south korean investment without losing face...he north koreans could provide cheap labour for south korean industry..eventually there would be peace.

the one obstacle to peace at the moment is the US presence
 
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walter

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FreeAsia2000 said:
actually my point walter was that you should let the two parties sort out their differences. if the US withdrew South Korea would probably seek nukes for it's defense...there would be a stalemate for a while...then the north koreans would open up to south korean investment without losing face...he north koreans could provide cheap labour for south korean industry..eventually there would be peace.

the one obstacle to peace at the moment is the US presence
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hmmm, admittedly, I never thought about it that way. I guess the first step would be to convince the South Koreans everything would be OK if they let the US get out--I don't think they want the US to leave. I see it this way: 1) Yes the US wants to maintain a presense in SK as a part of retaining influence in the region AND 2) The SK's, while there is much public anti-American sentiment, still want US military presence in their country because they are AFRAID of the nutcase neighbor of their's controlling the North.

To me it seems like Kim is the main obstacle to any hope of reunification. I can't see reunification happening until a more mature leader comes to power in NK.
 
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pathfinder

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Lavi said:
The Chinese intervention certainly stopped the UN-forces from winning the war and uniting Korea under a democratic regime, and when comparing the postions of North and South Korea today one can ask wheter this benefitted the North Koreans.
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South Korean democratic regime in 1950's, now that's a good one. It was about as democratic as North Korea is today or South Vietnamese government in the 60's. The perfect example of democracy at work.
 
Liberator

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Didn't South Korea started the war?

On the old forum, I remember some one posted "My friend's grandfather was a South Korean soldier at that time, his squad was ordered to raid North Korean border towns to make the NK to attack SK".

USA wanted the Chinese to get involved, because MacAurther want to end China's communist rule.
 
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Lavi

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North Korea launched the inital attack and nearly sweeped the UN coalition into the sea, then a general offensive almost cauptered all of North Korea, then China intervened, drew the UN back to the 38th parallel, and then the fighting stabilised there. If South Korea would have started the war, would they seriously have been so unprepeared as they were when the North launched their offensive?

Wheter or not the South was democratic in 1950 I don't know, but the goal of the UN was certainly to make Korea democratic, which is what I said in the first place.
 
PiSigma

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SOUTH KOREA did start the war with some nudging from USA. the idea was that USA thought USSR or china won't interfer, so order SK troops to have skirmishes on the NK border to harass them. get NK pissed, and they'll invade. that way when the americans come in and kick NK out of SK, they can keep on going and unify the country under a pro-US government. remember that USSr was boycotting UN at the time. this is what my friend's grandpa told me.

now about unification. unification is not possible as long as the crazy guy kim is in power, if they have a more rational leader, then it's more considerable. and can't compare N-S korea with E-W germany. E germany had a more capable industry base. while north korea have almost nothing right now. SOUTH korea didn't become a true democracy until the 1980s, back in the day it's a military dictatorship. and up until the late 1970s, north korea was richer and had higher standard of living than south korea.
 
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ahho

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PiSigma said:
SOUTH KOREA did start the war with some nudging from USA. the idea was that USA thought USSR or china won't interfer, so order SK troops to have skirmishes on the NK border to harass them. get NK pissed, and they'll invade. that way when the americans come in and kick NK out of SK, they can keep on going and unify the country under a pro-US government. remember that USSr was boycotting UN at the time. this is what my friend's grandpa told me.

now about unification. unification is not possible as long as the crazy guy kim is in power, if they have a more rational leader, then it's more considerable. and can't compare N-S korea with E-W germany. E germany had a more capable industry base. while north korea have almost nothing right now. SOUTH korea didn't become a true democracy until the 1980s, back in the day it's a military dictatorship. and up until the late 1970s, north korea was richer and had higher standard of living than south korea.
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hope that north korea would make some economic changes so that it could benefit themself
 
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