China Flanker Thread II

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SinoSoldier

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Bltizo said:
The first link doesn't work for me, so my reply will be with that context.

Out of those pictures the only one which definitively suggests to me that the J-11B has an A2G capability is the model with the Kh-31 anti radiation missiles loaded on it with PL-12s.

The others could very well by russian made flankers, and the picture with lots of munitions on a stand with the flanker photo behind it doesn't tell me those missiles are for flankers. I'm not trying to haggle, but most of those pictures you linked to are kind of ambiguous with their conclusion.

Maybe J-11B only had the capability to fire russian A2G weapons but not PLA ones, maybe those models of J-11B with A2G were inaccurate (wouldn't be the first time such a PR display has gone wrong). Unfortunately at the end of the day we don't have any clear pictures yet of a clear J-11B armed with definitive A2G weapons whether they be russian or chinese, and nothing conclusive and recent showing they can carry A2G weapons of any kind.

That, with huitong's update -- and keep in mind he wouldn't put up such a drastic change of view unless it was likely such a thing was real -- leads me to deduce J-11B and J-11BS probably do not have the capability to fire PGMs of any kind, or at least are not designed to. Maybe their radars can be used for some strike roles but as of this moment cannot fire PGMs. For me personally the jury is still out on whether J-11B and BS can fire PGMs or not, because I see no reason why SAC can't put in the avionics necessary, and when everything previously read said the reason for developing J-11B and BS was because the russian flankers didn't have PGM capability...

This recent update has really put a spanner in the works.
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The J-11B can carry only a limited variety of Chinese PGM weapons (LT-2 and LS-6). However, Russian weapons have more variety.

If you enter the first link and RELOAD the page after it says "error", it will work.

The missiles on the stand are in fact for our Flankers (although most are Russian made). I can see the Chinese version of the Durandal, the KAB-500KR, and the Kingpost missiles. All are used by PLAAF or at least by basic J-11A variants. You can also see the R-27 missile, the favored medium-range air-to-air weapon of the J-11B.

I saw where Huitong got is information. It's from a single post from CJDBY:

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Nowhere on it does it say that the J-11B/S lacks A2G capability
 
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SinoSoldier said:
The J-11B can carry only a limited variety of Chinese PGM weapons (LT-2 and LS-6). However, Russian weapons have more variety.

If you enter the first link and RELOAD the page after it says "error", it will work.

The missiles on the stand are in fact for our Flankers (although most are Russian made). I can see the Chinese version of the Durandal, the KAB-500KR, and the Kingpost missiles. All are used by PLAAF or at least by basic J-11A variants. You can also see the R-27 missile, the favored medium-range air-to-air weapon of the J-11B.

I saw where Huitong got is information. It's from a single post from CJDBY:

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Nowhere on it does it say that the J-11B/S lacks A2G capability
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Not to sound rude, but how do you know that is the post where huitong got his info from? If it doesn't say anythign similar to what he claimed then it probably isn't his source.
 
SinoSoldier

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Bltizo said:
Not to sound rude, but how do you know that is the post where huitong got his info from? If it doesn't say anythign similar to what he claimed then it probably isn't his source.
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Because he told me he got the fact from CJDBY, and it's the only post in CJDBY that talks about the J-16 and the J-11BS.

The post also matches exactly the information that Huitong posted.
 
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SinoSoldier said:
Because he told me he got the fact from CJDBY, and it's the only post in CJDBY that talks about the J-16 and the J-11BS.

The post also matches exactly the information that Huitong posted.
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The number of places where he could have gotten it from doesn't matter much. Rather from whom it came from...that matters. Huitong has a long established reputation. He isn't always right, but if he was confident enough to go as far as changing his J-11BS section, I believe it to be true.
 
SinoSoldier

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Centrist said:
The number of places where he could have gotten it from doesn't matter much. Rather from whom it came from...that matters. Huitong has a long established reputation. He isn't always right, but if he was confident enough to go as far as changing his J-11BS section, I believe it to be true.
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I can give you the username of the person who posted it in CJDBY.

But from the lack of information and apparent sources, I seriously doubt it, especially after seeing SAC mockups of the J-11B with precision guided weapons.
 
maozedong

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I think J-16 just like Su-35, but not completly same, and J-14 will be use for upgraded J-11BS, just like Su-30MK2 but not the same shape.
 
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