J-20... The New Generation Fighter

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Bltizo said:

You mean pitot tubes? If you scroll down on this thread on f16.net there's a pic of an F-22 with pitot tubes.. (second pic)

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I think they compromise stealth a little, but if they're small enough with LO shaping it's presence can be minimized.

(And my youtubing days on the PLA in general are long over lol, espicially when things are moving so fast and they remain as opaque as ever (and i was very very amateur). flattered that you still remember though )

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Isn't a pitot tube the one that sticks out of the centre of the nose, not the side. I meant the apparatus that sticks out of the side like a hook.

That kashsoldier needs to be put in the right place.

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hbogyt said:

Isn't a pitot tube the one that sticks out of the centre of the nose, not the side. I meant the apparatus that sticks out of the side like a hook.

That kashsoldier needs to be put in the right place.

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you mean the refueling probe?

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hbogyt said:

Isn't a pitot tube the one that sticks out of the centre of the nose, not the side. I meant the apparatus that sticks out of the side like a hook.

That kashsoldier needs to be put in the right place.

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Do an image search of pitot tubes, they don't necessarily have to be stuck in the centre, many commercial airliners have pitot tubes and they stick out like hooks (just like the F-22 pic in the link i posted).

(and kashsoldier can waste his life living off youtube if he likes, his loss)

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Delbert said:

I think PLAAF Aviation must speed up its development of a new generation fighter planes.

USAF and member nation included in the JSF program will probably start to operate F-35 in 2011, base on my recent info's I was able to gather.

That will really pose another challenge.

Anybody here has any updates on the New Generation the PLAAF was developing? How far was it going?

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the jsf is a nice plane bud in war it will fail becase the production time is extreem high and the daily maintenance / repair and production costs a way to high
its like going fulltime on the racetrack with a F1 car wile having a averge job

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PLAfreak said:

the jsf is a nice plane bud in war it will fail becase the production time is extreem high and the daily maintenance / repair and production costs a way to high
its like going fulltime on the racetrack with a F1 car wile having a averge job

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Thats not true. If production time is taken as a reference to how useful a plane is... Then by all means, stop all R&D and creating of 4th generation planes and go back to MiG19, MiG21 and F4, A4 aircrafts.

Also we do not know how expensive it would be for daily maintenance/ repair cost of the aircraft (unless there are very credible source indicating it). Third, 4th generation plane and 5th generation planes are of course more expensive as compared to second and third generation fighters. But if you were to give me a choice, I would go for a smaller and leaner air force rather than a massive and quantitatively huge air force.

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rhino123 said:

Thats not true. If production time is taken as a reference to how useful a plane is... Then by all means, stop all R&D and creating of 4th generation planes and go back to MiG19, MiG21 and F4, A4 aircrafts.

Also we do not know how expensive it would be for daily maintenance/ repair cost of the aircraft (unless there are very credible source indicating it). Third, 4th generation plane and 5th generation planes are of course more expensive as compared to second and third generation fighters. But if you were to give me a choice, I would go for a smaller and leaner air force rather than a massive and quantitatively huge air force.

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Furthermore 2nd and 3rd generation planes were made when the dominant belief was that air power alone can win you wars. This was before Vietnam where they found that air power, while powerful offensive weapons, was not versatile in all terrains and could not substitute for land forces that could hold and defended territory. That helped encourage the shift from quantity to quality.

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Here's a link with pics of the possible 4th gen cockpit. The main display seems to be touch screen, doesn't have all those buttons around it.
(Sorry, I dont' know how to download these pics, you'll have to view the slideshow on the link).



One of the slides show the radar inside the radome, which seems to be a mechanically scanned radar (slide 9), but I think most of this mock up is showing the cockpit rather than the radar so it shouldn't be a big deal. I really do doubt we'll see any indigenous AESA radar displays at zhuhai seeing as it's fairly advanced technology.

It's also interesting how the control stick is on the side like the F-22 and F-35, and that the HUD isn't holographic (at least from my amateur eyes) like the J-11B and J-10B's, which seems like a step backwards...

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^^^ The first blue word link at the lower right hand side of the pic is the download button.

I'll put the pics up shortly.

edit: actually you can put them all up if you want. (for some reason connection was slow for me just now, but fine for other sites)

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^Oh right, thanks.

Well here's some of the pics I was talking about...

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Well there is no evidence to suggest that the final J-xx will have the nose shape as shown by this mock-up, but could the mock-up be indicating a nose intake?

Maybe this is what is referred to as an modified J-10 rather than the actual J-xx? Does it make sense to make a twin engined somewhat stealthy J-10 variant before J-xx is ready?