video leak on YouTube of Chinese trawler incident.

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xywdx

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Mr T said:
Like Bltizo I'm not sure how the first video (post #3) show the Japanese coastguard vessel at fault. The trawler made a sharp port turn, causing the collision - you can see this because the wake.

This was the same scenario in one of the other videos, where the trawler hits a boat on the stern. As bladerunner said, if there had been no intention to do this the captain would have turned to the starboard (the logical and right thing to do per standard practice).



But the videos show that the trawler made two port turns on separate occasions, hitting the same ship or two different ones. Why did it do this if there was no intention to cause a collision?
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Are you seriously suggesting that a Chinese fishing trawler chased down 2 Japanese naval vessels and rammed them? That would never happen unless the Japanese wanted it to happen.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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News flash.. I looked at the video again and it is not the same one I originally saw.

In this video I saw just now the Chinese ship was being circled by the Japanese ship. The Chinese ship. it appeared to me decide to escape the encirclement by ramming the Japanese ship.

All I saw when I first saw that video was the Japanese ramming the Chinese ship.

The Chinese ship should have yielded to the Japanese ship.

This is the video I originally saw..

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joshuatree

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You can argue till you turn blue about when/how/why the trawler rammed into the patrol boat but one thing is definitive, the Japanese vessels were being very aggressive. The one clip clearly shows the Japanese vessel cutting over by the way its wake path appeared and to argue that the trawler should have at least veered starboard is a straw man argument. Don't forget that while one Japanese vessel was doing this, the other one filming was probably busy yelling over a bullhorn or something. You can't reasonably expect the trawler to react in such short, tense moments.
 
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A.Man

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If this trawler was a North Korea boat, what would happen?

Japan sinks 'North Korea spying ship' in international water in December, 2001!

Did Japanese really need to sink the boat?

This is the North Korea "Spy Boat!"

Was this worth Japan to show of force?

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UCSDAE

UCSDAE

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SteelBird said:
UCSDAE, you're a new member, so I don't blame you for "having eyes but do not see the Taishan mountain". The guy above you used to serve in the US Navy and have great knowledge about marine-time matter. Post your question to him if you have any query.

In my opinion, the Jap's vessels were acting like a police car chasing someone who violates the regulation (in Jap's view). They gave the signal to the trawler to stop, but the trawler didn't intend to stop, so the Japs drove into the trawler's way to stop it and led to the collision. The problem apparently is not "you hit me first or you block my way first", but the sovereign and political problems behind the scene.
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airsuperiority

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kwaigonegin said:
really? were you on board to make such 100% conclusive assumptions? I sure didn't see any reversing from that video nor any non threating speed.
While I stated my opinions I was careful not to make any definitive ones unlike you. All we have to go with is a 5 minute clip and the fact that there are equally strong opinions on both sides indicate that it really is non conclusive at this point.
It seems like you've already made up your mind regardless and therefore arguing would be a fruitless endevor.
cheers!
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you seemed extremely agitated. i suggest you tone down, or in no time, you'll find your head on the display case of banned members.
 
bladerunner

bladerunner

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Curious George said:
The Japanese warship was the one on the left, so they should have been the ones to give way.
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Thats strange because the video i posted in post 11 which is the first incident clearly shows the japanese boat having come from the chinese boat's right side (look at the wake). The chinese boat was not making any evasive action to starboard, which it is required to do, but continues to go straight.

In the second incident while the japanese boat is on the left and ahead and the chinese boat swerves to the left side to hit it. Popeyes is of the opinion that the Chinese boat is at fault with this as well. Actually if you look at post 11 you will see the two incidences and the time frame in relation to each other in which they occured.
 
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xywdx

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bladerunner said:
Thats strange because the video i posted in post 11 which is the first incident clearly shows the japanese boat having come from the chinese boat's right side (look at the wake). The chinese boat was not making any evasive action to starboard, which it is required to do, but continues to go straight.

In the second incident while the japanese boat is on the left and ahead and the chinese boat swerves to the left side to hit it. Popeyes is of the opinion that the Chinese boat is at fault with this as well. Actually if you look at post 11 you will see the two incidences and the time frame in relation to each other in which they occured.
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I don't think the right of way matter at all. The Japanese warships were intent on cutting in front of the trawler and harassing it, the slower trawler can't do anything.
 
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