F-22P and 053 series

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some work done on 540 (a Jiangwei-I ship). the first one is taken what appears to be a week ago and the second one is taken recently. Assuming someone did not intentionally try to fool me (which is possible given the timing of these pictures), it looks like they are re-fitting the front end of the ship and putting new missiles/guns in there.
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pictures of the last Hudong build F-22P, number 253. Looks like it should be ready for Pakistani Navy soon. Not much more to say at this point.
 

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This is an interesting article. Other than the part on HQ-16, which I think is complete nonsense, the rest of the articles contains some interesting information. I made the section about the subsystems on 054A bold, because it had all the weapon designation for those subsystems. For example, ZKJ-3C, RWD-8, SUR-17 and SR-60. I mean the systems themselves are commonly found on Chinese ships, but it's not always specified what the name are.
May-2010
INTERVIEW

Captain Mirza Foad Amin Baig
Commanding Officer, PNS Zulfiqar

The first of Pakistan's four Sword-class frigates, PNS Zulfiqar, is preparing for a final sea inspection later in 2010 before being declared fully operational. Capt.Baig spoke to Guy Tormens when the ship visited Doha, Qatar.

Launched by China State Shipbuilding Corporation at its Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai on 19th April 2008, PNS Zulfiqar - the first of Pakistan Navy's (PN's) four Sword-class (F-22P) frigates - was commissioned on 30th July 2009.

Having completed the technical acceptance process followed by pier-side and at-sea training, the ship's company commenced a delivery voyage that took Zulfiqar to Manado for Indonesia's International Fleet Review (12-19 August), Port Kalang in Malaysia (27-30 August) and Colombo, Sri Lanka (5-7 Sept). The frigate arrived in Karachi on 13 September and was inducted into the PN fleet on 19 September.

"the remainder 0f 2009 and early 2010 was taken up by testing our sensors and weapons in home waters" says Capt. Mirza Foad Amin Baig, the Commanding Officer."in early March we sailed from Karachi for a deployment to the Arabian Gulf, before taking part in DIMDEX 2010 (The 2nd Doha International Maritime Defence Exhibition in Qatar, we successfully fired C-802 missiles in the Northern Arabian sea on 12 March, and on our way to Doha we conducted passex serials with both the Saudi navy and the Qatari naval forces.

Despite its strong visual resemblances to the Chinese navy's Jiangwei II-class (Type 053H3) frigates, Capt. Baig says the 3,144-ton Zulfiqar and its sister ships were designed to specific Pakistani requirements and incorporate many features hiitherto unknown in PN vessels. " most obvious are the radar cross-section reduction measures, clearly visible in the hull, main gun and the slightly angling superstructure". he notes." A lot of effort was also put into infrared signature, noise and electro-magnetic emission reduction. She is also the first major surface combatant of the PN to have a high level of automation on board".

A integrated platform management system controls the engines, hull services, electrical distribution and damage-control systems,"Zulfiqar has been fitted with a sophisticated German MTU damage-control system. Automatic detectors and sensor systems ensure an early warning for any damage occuring in any operational situation" says Capt.Baig. "Buoyancy is assured with two adjacent compartments flooded and a sprinkler system is fitted throughout the ship. these enhanced damage-control capabilities and the in-built redundency are important factors for unsupported long-distance crossings".Designed primarily for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and ant-surface warfare (ASuW), Zulfiqar also has a local area self-defense capability."I dare say that a Sword-class unit packs almost the combined fire-power of our six Tariq-class (Ex-UK RN Amazon-class (Type-21)) frigates. We feature quite a few capabilities not found on the pther Pakistani frigates".

The ASuW suite consists of two quadruple C-802 launchers (CSS-N-8'Saccade') and a 76mm gun based on the Russian AK-176M weapon. ASW assets comprise two triple ET-52C 324mm torpedo tubes, two sextuple RDC-32 rocket launchers and an Echo Type 5 hull-mounted active search and track sonar. An octuple launcher for FM-90N anti-air missiles is located forward of the bridge and two Type 730 30mm seven-barrel guns are provided for close-in defence (CIWS).

"The embarked Harbin Z-9EC helicopter provides us with over-the-horizon targeting for the C-802 missiles as well as a long-range detection capability and anti-submarine capability",Capt.Baig states."Our combat management suite is based on the chinese ZKJ-3C (a variant of the French TAVITAC) and the electronic-warfare system comprises the Chinese RWD-8 intercept system and a NJ8I-3 jammer".Sensors include a SUR-17 air-surveillence radar, an SR-60 air/surface search radar and a Kelvin-Hughes 2007 navigation radar.

While accepting that the integration of Chinese and Western systems was challenging, Capt.Baig says the package works well in practice and that Zulfiqar has considerable potential for future upgrade; for example, there is a space to install a vertical launch system in place of the FM-90N launcher. he anticipates that a forthcoming modernisation will see the FM-90N and SUR-17 combination replaced by the Chinese HQ-16 (a variant of the Russian SA-N-12 Shril).

Capt.Baig is pleased with the seaworthiness of the 123.4 m-long hull which, he says is "shaped to minimize the resistence of water and improve seakeeping in rough sea conditions. Two rudders and two controlable pitch propellers allow excellent manoeuvarability. We can conduct our tasks up to Sea State 5. Our CODAD (combined diesel and diesel) propulsion system (two Tognum MTU 12V 1163 TB 83 diesel engines) gives us a top speed of 28+ kt and the onboard fuel capacity provides a steaming range in excess of 6,000 n miles at 18 kt".

Compared with older vessels, crew habitability standards have been improved and noise kept to a minimum while air-conditioning has been installed in accomodation and operating compartments. Capt. Baig says"the core crew is 188, but we have a capacity for 212 and for short periods even up to 250".

Further weapons and sensor trials are planned before the frigate undergoes a final sea inspection later in 2010 and - all being well - is declared fully operational."one may well see PNS Zulfiqar taking part in anti-piracy operations in 2011".

The second Sword-class frigate, PNS Shamsheer, was commissioned in Shanghai on 19 December 2009, arrived in Karachi on 23 January 2010 (after stops in Singapore and Colombo) and was admitted into the Pakistani fleet on 8 Feburary. Ship three, Saif, is scheduled to commission on 31 July. The keel of the final unit, Aslat, was laid down on 10 December 2009 at Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works and scheduled to join the fleet in December 2013.

I also attached a couple of photos of 253 on sea trials.
 

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tphuang, the guy who gave the interview is the commanding officer of the F-22P ship and he would have idea of the ship, the program and future upgrade plans also.

If he is saying, that HQ-16 is part of the upgrade program in future ships or in future on the current ships, it means there must be a suitable and workable proposal for such a plan which much have been talked about with the Chinese, who in return would have given their nod of such a suitability and thus the Captain of the ship is telling such a thing to such a prestigious defence related magazine.

Plus, the reported tonnage of the F-22P has also been found to be incorrect and its now to be 3,100 tonne, while before it used to be reported as around 2400-2500 tonnage.

There is a serious talk in Pakistan to get the Zulfiqar class ship get equipped with a VLS, capable to fire HQ-16 missiles, reason being China has offered the 054A, but they are very costly also, so Pakistan is looking at the Zulfiqar class ship, whose cost is much low and to be equipped with a HQ-16 VLS system.

And its very doable also, the HQ-7 placement has sufficient place to get atleast a 16 missile VLS system, if there are any problems in length wise, they can do an arrangement of the VLS like we have seen on the British Type 45 destroyers.
 

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tphuang, the guy who gave the interview is the commanding officer of the F-22P ship and he would have idea of the ship, the program and future upgrade plans also.

If he is saying, that HQ-16 is part of the upgrade program in future ships or in future on the current ships, it means there must be a suitable and workable proposal for such a plan which much have been talked about with the Chinese, who in return would have given their nod of such a suitability and thus the Captain of the ship is telling such a thing to such a prestigious defence related magazine.

Plus, the reported tonnage of the F-22P has also been found to be incorrect and its now to be 3,100 tonne, while before it used to be reported as around 2400-2500 tonnage.

There is a serious talk in Pakistan to get the Zulfiqar class ship get equipped with a VLS, capable to fire HQ-16 missiles, reason being China has offered the 054A, but they are very costly also, so Pakistan is looking at the Zulfiqar class ship, whose cost is much low and to be equipped with a HQ-16 VLS system.

And its very doable also, the HQ-7 placement has sufficient place to get atleast a 16 missile VLS system, if there are any problems in length wise, they can do an arrangement of the VLS like we have seen on the British Type 45 destroyers.
lol, it's not just the VLS cells that you should be worried about. It's the bunch of other sensors + combat systems that you would also have to put on a ship like that to get HQ-16 to work. The amount of work required to figure out the weight distribution, radar interference and such. Don't just think about the missiles. Think about the roles of sensors on a ship. Why they are there and what is operating them.
 

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For now...I wouldn't take the HHQ-16 bit too seriously, IMHO it may be beyond the scope of the F-22P - a light-medium frigate. The PN may be better off to upgrade F-22P with a short-medium range VL-SAM such as the Denel Umkhonto-R (25km) or Turkish T-MAIADMIS (25km+).
 

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recent pictures of 253 from HD shipyard. It actually left the docks for a while a week ago and we thought it might be sailing for Pakistan, but it came back. It should be ready to be handed over to PN anytime now.

Also, I have a bunch of 053 photos here. They are all Jiangwei ships from the East Sea Fleet. 539 and 541 are the Jiangwei-I variety. 523 and 524 are the Jiangwei-II variety and you can see the HQ-7 launchers on them.
 

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CNS Admiral Noman Bashir performs commissioning of 3rd F-22 P Frigate PNS Saif

SHANGHAI, Sept 15 (APP): Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Noman Bashir while performing the commissioning of the third F-22P frigate, PNS SAIF here on Wednesday said that it is indeed a proud moment for both Pakistan and China, where like first and second, the third F-22P frigate is also being delivered ahead of schedule. “It is an extra ordinary achievement when looked at the technical complexities of this mega project”, said CNS Admiral Noman Bashir while addrerssing an impressive ceremony that was largely attended including President CSSC, Senior Officers from Pakistan and PLA Navies, Senior Management of SASTIND, CSSC, Hudong Shipyard and CSTC.

Congratulating Pakistan and PLA Navies, CSTC and Hudong Shipyard and CNO (China) teams for their successful joint efforts Admiral Bashir also congratulated the Commanding Officer Captain Zubair Shafique and his crew for their contribution.
“May Allah bless PNS SAIF and all those who sail in it” he said.

Admiral Noman Bashi said that no doubt, this feat has been achieved through focused approach at all levels of management and total cooperation between PLA (Navy), SASTIND, CSSC, Hudong Shipyard and CSTC.

He pointed out that it would not be out of place here to reaffirm that Pak-China relationship is unique and does not draw any parallel in the world.

This relationship, the CNS said over the years has matured in all fields, particularly in defence. “Present geo-political situation demands further strengthening of our relations and I assure you, that Pakistan is deeply committed to achieve our shared objectives”, the CNS observed.

Admiral Noman Bashir said that the environment around us warrants Pakistan Navy to be prepared to counter the forces, challenging our sovereignty as well as regional peace and security.

“I am confident that induction of these ships will not only supplement our combat potential but will also afford Pakistan Navy the opportunity to distinctly uphold its forward presence in area of interest, contributing to balance the power equation in the region” said Admiral Noman Bashir.

“Let me say that today I feel contended to see the project progressing smoothly” said Admiral Noman Bashir adding that the commissioning of PNS SAIF concludes the construction phase of F-22P ships in China.

He expressed the confidence that the construction of 4th F-22P Ship in Pakistan will also be accomplished successfully with full cooperation of Chinese friends.

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