Returning Turtles

Finn McCool

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Autumn Child said:
The problem is these overseas chinese claim that they are local, yet the local still see them as chinese no matter if their great great grand father is born locally.
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I don't know if you've ever lived in the United States but I've lived all my life in the United States, in an area with a large Asian population, and I can tell you that the majority of Asians are in no way considered to be "outsiders". They came here legally and are by and large extremely successful in business and education. Unlike in Indonesia, people don't hold that against them. In fact it binds the Asian community to an American identity very quickly. In some areas there are communities of less-educated recent immigrants, but they're a minority within the US-Asian population.
 
SampanViking

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I don't believe it!! Is there something in the water here at the moment!

Everybody needs to calm down and return to topic. Autumn Child,I realise that you have direct experience of Genocide and as such I will cut you some slack and not push the rules on this occasion. This however is not the forum to raise such subjects in this manner.

Finn you also know well enough that if something crosses a line, you ring the alarm bell for the mods and not just wade in for good measure.

Yet another thread that will be locked for 24 hours for people to calm down and reflect.

Come on people this is becoming far to frequent at the moment, I know you can all do better.
 
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Please keep it civil and on topic
 
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First I would like to apologize to fellow forum members and the mods for what I wrote. I did not meant to offend anyone. I would like to clarify my position because I think I am misunderstood.

1)I did not mean to say that jewish life is less important or inferrior. My word choice might be poor and I apologize. I will correct it immidiately. Jewish people has little or nothing to do with chinese repression. In fact I actually respect them for their resiliance and intelligence. All race are equal in my understanding, its cultural difference that is the primary source of conflict.

2) I can definitely say that the holocaust exist and we all can learn great lessons from this terrible event in history. As a person who have experienced genocide, I would be slapping my own face for denying it. What I meant by my previous post is that the countless similar events taking place in china and south east asia commited by japanese and native south east asian that took the lives of millions of chinese should be acknowledge at the same level world wide, not more, not less.

3) Finn accused me of racial inferiority complex. I would like to say that I am more worried of racial superiority complex that many chinese is starting to exhibit due to rising China. Racial superiority complex can only bring more arrogance, complacency, hatred and war, nothing good comes out of it. I only hope to raise awareness and reduce the misunderstanding that the world has towards chinese people. This misunderstanding is largely due to influential western propaganda and general lack of knowledge. Is fighting for equality and respect a symptom of racial inferiority complex?

Please understand my position. I am not trying to be racist. I am trying to fight misunderstanding, paranoia and lack or respect for Chinese. I am a victim of such attitude and its my life long mission to fight it.
 
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Finn McCool said:
I don't know if you've ever lived in the United States but I've lived all my life in the United States, in an area with a large Asian population, and I can tell you that the majority of Asians are in no way considered to be "outsiders". They came here legally and are by and large extremely successful in business and education. Unlike in Indonesia, people don't hold that against them. In fact it binds the Asian community to an American identity very quickly. In some areas there are communities of less-educated recent immigrants, but they're a minority within the US-Asian population.
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I have lived in Canada for 8 years and I know that the status of asians are the same in the US. Please consider the fact that overseas chinese living in North America are the minority compared to the total amount of overseas chinese world wide. Most of us lived in south east asia where the situation is not as positive as in North America. Chinese in North America are protected by law, in south east asia, racial power and money is the law. Majority wins especially during crisis. Be thankful that you lived in a country rule by the code of law. Most of us overseas chinese is not so lucky.

By the way, chinese, like most minorities living in north america is still prone to stereotyping and some racial discrimination that is not covered by the law. No body in norht america dare to say that the society is in perfect harmony, the perfect melting pot.
 
bladerunner

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sumdud said:
I guess you can always try to export jade to China.
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The indigenous people wont allow it

By the way, how many generations have your family been in New Zealand/ moved out of China?
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Normally I would say 4, however theres some uncertainty , whether my Gt Grandad being the oldest child in the family, was born in China and joined family later. and yourself? Am I wrong in thinking that one could tell which part of China one came from according to ones surname.?


I think the earliest generationChinese that left her shores always intended to return to China dead or alive.

In Nz the wealthy dead always had their bodies shipped back to China. A ship with such a cargo load of bodies sank in a storm. The coffins floated ashore , to be retrieved by the Indigenous people(Maori) and given a burial according to Maori customi. A couple of yrs or so ago there was a moving reunification between the bodies and the ancestors of the deceased who had come out from China.

Was that the custom for bodies to be sent home from the other countries where the Chinese migrated?
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Autumn Child said:
First I would like to apologize to fellow forum members and the mods for what I wrote. I did not meant to offend anyone. I would like to clarify my position because I think I am misunderstood.
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Thank you Autumn Child, I felt sure that was the case.
 
SteelBird

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Have been reading this thread since it started and I'd like to say something today. Yes, I am also a Chinese descendant who lives in Cambodia for the third generation. One of my grand-father was born in China. As I was told by my father, when he (my grand-father) came to Cambodia, he still had pigtail (辫子). He cut it off when he got to Cambodia, and my great-grand-mother was crying him for "betraying (反了！)".

My heart is toward China -- the mother land, but I think I'd never want to go back there to work or to live because I find myself too much different from the Chinese local people. They speak the dialect I don't understand, and they have different moral values from what I do. However, I hope China would grow strong and rich and when I have time I'd like to go back to have a look at the place where my ancestors used to live.
 
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The indigenous people wont allow it.
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Well, as an outsider, all I can think of is the mushrooms that you mentioned, otherwise I got nothing. But speaking of which, anyone interested in bringing avocados to China?
Normally I would say 4, however theres some uncertainty , whether my Gt Grandad being the oldest child in the family, was born in China and joined family later. and yourself? Am I wrong in thinking that one could tell which part of China one came from according to ones surname.?
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I think the earliest generationChinese that left her shores always intended to return to China dead or alive.
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My parents and their generation of folks first brought the family here. My grandparents came, but left due to lack of friends and access. I am the first generation of ABC, though unlike my cousins I went to school in HK for a while. (Otherwise, being born in Vermont, I would've ended up being the classic Banana.)
I asked because I know you are a relatively disconnected Chinese, yet you seem to know your Chinese and even recall the shaakh keh ma.... and I can't help but be jealous at your wealth and victory at the cod war you had for your own Jessica Gomes. At least I know I can handle Korean and Indian food better than you. :D I for one don't know if my grandchildren would even be able to speak much Chinese.
My parents don't exactly plan to go back, but they do plan to regularly travel between the two after retirement.

To an extent I think you can tell which parts of China a person is from by his/her lastname, though not always. I for one can tell you that being a Lee, I've been mistaken for a Korean, and we're some 10% of the population and are everywhere. Lastnames like Yu/Yee and Xie/Tse/Che would probably point to the South. Remember, this is English and there are crashes due to phonetic translations. The way your lastname is spelt in English could also help ID the part of China/Asia (Like in Lee/Li/Lei/Yi/Re/Ly/etc's case.) from which you might have roots in.
Was that the custom for bodies to be sent home from the other countries where the Chinese migrated?
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This I don't really know. It use to take place a lot, at least according to Fae Myenne Ng's Bone. Nowadays, well, I haven't witness it yet.
 
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