The sinking of South Korean Corvette Cheonan

Thats not the perspective of a shipyard worker; its the perspective of a shipbuilding engineer and ex SK navy officer who was part of the official investigation team - before being kicked out of the investigation by the government for not toeing the official line. He's now being sued for libel by the SK government for voicing his doubts on the official report:
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That doesnt mean his analysis is the correct one, but the way this is being handled is raising lots of red flags.

This is very interesting indeed. Does anyone know the reliability of this South Korean news source?

It is concievable that the current right wing South Korean administration would cover up an accident and use it to manipulate the strategic regional military balance to their own advantage.

By blaming North Korea for the ship sinking (regardless of whether it is true or not) South Korea can 1) put pressure on the U.S. to not reduce its military presence in South Korea, 2) put pressure on Japan to not move U.S. military installations in Japan too far south and away from the Korean peninsula, 3) show China that South Korea intends to be an independent regional power, and 4) put additional overall pressure on North Korea when it is already in a weak position, no love lost either way.
 

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Can China keep its balance in East Asia?

Frank Ching

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

Ever since international investigators concluded that the South Korean naval ship Cheonan, which sank in March with the loss of 46 lives, was struck by a North Korean torpedo, China has been under growing pressure to condemn its close friend and ally in the United Nations Security Council.

The report was issued May 20, just days before top American officials arrived in Beijing for high-level strategic and economic talks. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton called on China to take part in joint action to deal with the latest North Korean challenge.

This past weekend, Premier Wen Jiabao was in South Korea to take part in a summit meeting involving China, Japan and South Korea. There, he came under pressure to endorse the findings of the international investigators.

The Premier said China had not yet made up its mind on the issue and would make a judgment on the evidence in an “objective and fair manner.” He promised that Beijing would not protect the guilty party.

The summit meeting, the third of its kind, is part of a process to accelerate the regional integration of northeast Asia. The new Japanese government of Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, in particular, has emphasized the need for the creation of an East Asian Community.

The Cheonan incident will cause South Korea and Japan to reassess China’s reliability as a political and economic partner in view of Beijing’s closeness to Pyongyang.

It is putting the international spotlight on Beijing, emphasizing the closeness of its relationship with Pyongyang. North Korean leader Kim Jong-il paid a five-day visit to China in May and was fêted by President Hu Jintao.

The Cheonan incident is also underlining the importance of the U.S. military alliance to both South Korea and Japan, both of which have talked in recent years about the need for more equality in the alliance.

Increasingly, voices have been raised calling for greater “balance” in relations. Thus, even though the United States is an ally, some Japanese politicians argue that Tokyo-Washington-Beijing relations “should be equally balanced like an equilateral triangle.”

Even in Taiwan, which relies on the United States to guarantee its security, there are voices calling for the balancing of relations with China and the United States.

It is probably no accident that the Obama administration’s just-released document, the National Security Strategy of the United States, says of the alliances with Japan and South Korea: “We are modernizing our security relationships with both countries to face evolving 21st century global security challenges and to reflect the principle of equal partnership with the United States.”

Mr. Hatoyama took office in Japan after his party, the Democratic Party of Japan, promised to shift the government’s focus from America to Asia. The DPJ election platform called for re-examining Japan’s ties with the United States.

Since the Hatoyama administration came to power last year, it has held four summit meetings with China and five meetings of their respective foreign ministers. “Japan has conducted such extensive bilateral talks with China alone,” Kazuo Kodama, a foreign ministry spokesman, has pointed out. “No other countries have enjoyed such extensive meetings on the political level.”

It is not clear how China is going to reach a determination regarding whether North Korea was responsible for the torpedo attack on the Cheonan.

Russia has said that it would not support Security Council action unless it had “100-per-cent proof of North Korea’s role.” Russian experts have accepted an invitation to go to South Korea and are reportedly sifting through the evidence.

China, too, has been invited to send experts to assess the evidence gathered by South Korea, which includes a torpedo propeller allegedly with North Korean markings. So far, it is not clear whether China has accepted the invitation.

Clearly, China, too is trying to “balance” its relations with North and South Korea. On the face of it, the decision for Beijing should be simple. After all, China’s trade with South Korea is expected to be close to $200-billion this year, about 70 times greater than its trade with North Korea.

And yet, China evidently continues to value its ties with North Korea, which is also under Communist Party rule. Part of this is historical. After all, the two countries were allies against the United States and South Korea during the Korean War.

But China should realize that if it tries to remain neutral on the sinking of the Cheonan, South Korea and Japan will both be asking questions about China’s reliability as a partner.

Frank Ching is author of China: The Truth About Its Human Rights Record.
 

ravenshield936

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One of my colleagues is a South Korean and has been following the case closely. Of course, he can do something that none of us can do, which is the ability to understand Koreans and to get info directly from the source (meaning no info would be lost due to mis-translation, etc). He said he, along with his family and almost every South Korean that he knows, don't believe a word that the SK govn't is saying. According to him, the so-called evidence presented by the SK govn't is so weak, anyone with an IQ would know it's fake. Of course, the language may not 100% accurate as it might contain some frustration toward his govn't...

I agree with you. Even my South Korean friend, who's a girl and is still an university student, believes the SK government and the US government were behind the it and throwing crap on world stage. I was surprised
 

7sins

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This is very interesting indeed. Does anyone know the reliability of this South Korean news source?

Its been reported in several korean and internetation newspapers, I dont think any doubt exists about the veracity of that article. Here is tha same info from the financial times:

According to Seoul prosecutors, the highest-profile figure under investigation, facing charges of defamation from the navy, is Shin Sang-chul, who was appointed to the investigative committee on the sinking by the opposition but was removed before its conclusion
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2) put pressure on Japan to not move U.S. military installations in Japan too far south and away from the Korean peninsula,

Yep. And it worked too:
Washington and Tokyo agreed Friday to keep a contentious U.S. Marine base in Okinawa, with Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama highlighting the importance of the Japanese-American security alliance amid rising tension on the nearby Korean peninsula.
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No idea when that article was written. However, the following was already reported 2 days ago (Monday, 31 May 2010):

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S.Korea, Japan fail to persuade China to censure N.Korea
Posted: 31 May 2010 0406 hrs

SEOGWIPO, South Korea: China resisted pressure on Sunday from South Korea and Japan to censure North Korea publicly for the sinking of a warship, calling only for regional tensions over the incident to be defused.

Host President Lee Myung-Bak and Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama teamed up at the two-day summit to nudge China's Premier Wen Jiabao to declare Pyongyang responsible for the March sinking of the South Korean corvette.

But Wen gave no sign that China is ready to back United Nations Security Council action against its ally over the sinking, which cost 46 lives.

"The urgent task now is to defuse the impact of the Cheonan incident, change the tense situation and avoid clashes," Wen told a joint press conference on the southern resort island of Jeju.

"China will actively communicate with relevant parties and lead the situation to help promote peace and stability in the region, which fits our common and long-term interests best."

South Korea announced reprisals including a trade cut-off after international investigators reported on May 20 that a North Korean submarine fired a heavy torpedo to sink the Cheonan.

The North denies involvement and has responded to the reprisals with threats of war.

In Pyongyang on Sunday, 100,000 North Koreans held a rally accusing Seoul of heightening cross-border tensions over the sinking, according to the North's state broadcasting network monitored by Yonhap news agency.

Wen, whose country is the North's economic lifeline, has been cautious since arriving in South Korea Friday.

At a meeting with Lee that day, he said Beijing would, before determining its position, review the results of the international investigation into the Cheonan's sinking but would not protect whoever was responsible.

Lee said in Jeju that he expected "wise co-operation" from neighbouring countries in handling the disaster.

According to his senior spokesman Lee Dong-Kwan, Lee also told the summit: "We are not afraid of war, but we do not want war either. We have no intention to go to war."

Hatoyama, whose government Friday announced new sanctions against the North, said the three leaders agreed that "this is a serious issue related to peace and stability in Northeast Asia".

South Korea, at least in public, appeared fairly satisfied with the outcome of the Jeju summit.

"The inclusion of those remarks on the Cheonan in the joint press announcement in itself has significance," Lee's spokesman said.

But Paik Haksoon, of the Sejong Institute think-tank, said Wen's comments "indicate that China is still questioning the authenticity and authority of the investigation."

"There would be no point in taking this issue to the UN Security Council without securing support from China in advance," Paik told AFP.

Numerous countries have condemned the North for the sinking, one of the worst military attacks on the South since the 1950-53 war.

The North says Seoul faked evidence to incite tensions and boost its support before local elections this week.

South Korea, the United States and Japan need the support of veto-wielding member China to sanction -- or, at least, to censure -- the North at the Security Council.

Admiral Michael Mullen, the top US military officer, said later Sunday he was concerned about a possible North Korean "follow-on" to the torpedo attack on the Cheonan.

The South's reprisals include preparations to resume cross-border loudspeaker propaganda broadcasts. The North has threatened to shell the loudspeakers if the broadcasts go ahead.

The North has cut all ties with the South, scrapped pacts aimed at averting accidental flare-ups along their disputed sea border and vowed to attack any intruding ships.

It has threatened to shut down a jointly run industrial park at Kaesong, the last reconciliation project still operating.

The South plans to send a letter to the chairman of the UN Security Council this week, an unidentified official told Yonhap news agency.

Japan's Hatoyama had promised to fully support Seoul when the case is referred to the council, his spokesman told AFP. - AFP/fa

As for the comment about China's reliability as a partner for South Korea and Japan, it seems rather strange.

There are plenty of obstacles in the face of Sino-Jap ties, such as the Yasukuni shrine in Japan, the issue of Nanjing Massacre, disputed islands and seas, etc that China not censuring DPRK would rank way below in comparison. Nonetheless, this has not stopped Japan's largest automakers and other leading industries setting up shop in China.

As for Sino-RoK ties, they are also based primarily on economic realities and not so much political expediency. RoK's leading automakers are also flocking to China (similar to Japan's Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc) to set up shop. The same applies for consumer electronics conglomerates such as Samsung and LG.

Thus, the economic investments has continued despite lukewarm (and occassionally strained) bilat ties. I hardly think these investments are going to stop or reverse in the light of PRC's stance on DPRK.
 

ravenshield936

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No idea when that article was written. However, the following was already reported 2 days ago (Monday, 31 May 2010):

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As for the comment about China's reliability as a partner for South Korea and Japan, it seems rather strange.

There are plenty of obstacles in the face of Sino-Jap ties, such as the Yasukuni shrine in Japan, the issue of Nanjing Massacre, disputed islands and seas, etc that China not censuring DPRK would rank way below in comparison. Nonetheless, this has not stopped Japan's largest automakers and other leading industries setting up shop in China.

As for Sino-RoK ties, they are also based primarily on economic realities and not so much political expediency. RoK's leading automakers are also flocking to China (similar to Japan's Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc) to set up shop. The same applies for consumer electronics conglomerates such as Samsung and LG.

Thus, the economic investments has continued despite lukewarm (and occassionally strained) bilat ties. I hardly think these investments are going to stop or reverse in the light of PRC's stance on DPRK.

Old grudges are one thing, but business is another. Also with the recent several governments, they are all much milder and warmer to PRC, plus with the recent amounts of cooperation in many areas. Therefore for that reason, it's unsurprising that sino-japanese relationships are getting much more warmer than before.
 

montyp165

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Old grudges are one thing, but business is another. Also with the recent several governments, they are all much milder and warmer to PRC, plus with the recent amounts of cooperation in many areas. Therefore for that reason, it's unsurprising that sino-japanese relationships are getting much more warmer than before.

That's why I get the impression that Frank Ching's article feels more like a ideological piece than a 'balanced' article.
 

bladerunner

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One of my colleagues is a South Korean and has been following the case closely. Of course, he can do something that none of us can do, which is the ability to understand Koreans and to get info directly from the source (meaning no info would be lost due to mis-translation, etc). He said he, along with his family and almost every South Korean that he knows, don't believe a word that the SK govn't is saying. According to him, the so-called evidence presented by the SK govn't is so weak, anyone with an IQ would know it's fake. Of course, the language may not 100% accurate as it might contain some frustration toward his govn't...

I can see where this could possibly be leading.... The SK's did it to themselves, after all what government wouldn't grasp the chance of killing some of their own sailors, just for the opportunity of provoking a semi/nuke? wielding nutter, meanwhile lets sterilize anyone without an IQ in case they pass on their genes
 
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