JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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Lion

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Mastan Sir, don't sweat about it, leave it. Let them have a field day by thinking what they think.

Simple thing is, JF-17 is a joint venture and PAF had specifically showed its intent of an engine change in future if need arises at the start of the project, whether it be a Chinese engine or a western one, all it matters is, it should be an efficient engine in operational and maintenance sectors, thrust should be appropriate.

The Chinese partner would not say no to this as it is a joint venture and as told above, PAF had told about a future engine change if need arises, and Chinese have no problem with that, as we have money invested in it too, and if we look at our past record with China, we have made many modifications in Chinese equipment bought or manufactured jointly, and China has never said anything about that. Be the F-6s equipped to fire US made A2A missiles, F-7P&PGs equipped with Grifo radars and firing western weapons, Al Khalid tank equipped with Ukrainian engine, other western electronics, LY-60 SAM system integrated with British Type-21 frigates, K-8 being equipped with western engine, and other equipment. They have never said anything in all the above examples and would not say a No in this JF-17 also.

But if someone wishes to bring smiles to their faces that China will say No to it, then let them keep smiling, no worries.

All your so called previous modification you indicate comes with blessing from China side, not yr so called go ahead even without Chinese approval which is mention by yr buddy. You can try that at the expense of cease of support from China side.

Even using the American engine on K-8 was first tested by Chinese side before passing the know how assemble process to Pakistan.

It is funny someone always try to credit from things they never do it.... :confused: Do u have wind tunnel to test out the plane with modification??

Regarding the Grifo radar fit with American missile. Western radar are design to have easy intergration with any NATO standard ammunition. Nothing rocket scientist about it.
 

lilzz

Banned Idiot
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

I support Pak getting a new engine for FC-1 cause China might be getting too comfortable with the RD-93 engine...
 

Lion

Senior Member
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

I support Pak getting a new engine for FC-1 cause China might be getting too comfortable with the RD-93 engine...

China is never comfortable with RD-93 and they are actively trying to develop a similiar engine(WS-13) for a new medium weight twin engine fighter(possibly a carrier one).

Of cos, I believe it can be fit into FC-1 without much problem.
 

taimikhan

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

All your so called previous modification you indicate comes with blessing from China side, not yr so called go ahead even without Chinese approval which is mention by yr buddy. You can try that at the expense of cease of support from China side.

Yes, if you read my post clearly, that is why I said, that China agreed to that and helped also where required. If you hadn't noticed, some of the posters other then whom you are referring had said China will not allow any change and other stuff like that.

Even using the American engine on K-8 was first tested by Chinese side before passing the know how assemble process to Pakistan.

The sole reason of mentioning the example and others was this that China has helped us whenever we had wanted, they have no issue even if we ask them for an engine change, as some said it won't allow.

It is funny someone always try to credit from things they never do it.... :confused: Do u have wind tunnel to test out the plane with modification??

We have never taken credit for anything which we haven't made ourselves. China has helped us in many projects and at critical times, me and our whole nation is thankful to them for their support in every field.

And as for your wind tunnel query, yes we do have. We have wind tunnel at Institute of Space Technology, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, DESTO, KRL and at few other places also. Some are small ones and some are big ones. You can see the one at DESTO here:
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Hope this cools down the sarcasm about our abilities.

Regarding the Grifo radar fit with American missile. Western radar are design to have easy intergration with any NATO standard ammunition. Nothing rocket scientist about it.

Its common sense that western equipment can be used and fired from western radars.

What i meant was that we integrated with the help of China and the manufacturer of a western system on a Chinese air frame. China did not said no to that.

So the end result is that if PAF requests China for any change, it would be done, with the collaboration of both China, Pakistan and the engine manufacturer itself.
 

Engineer

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Hi,

I believe that your understanding of my posts is very poor---you are taking too much liberty with what I said---I would love to see my comments if you can post where I stated that JF 17 can use any engine.
Here:

If the answer is in affirmative then certainly you can substitute any other engine.
Of course, I am not interpreting that to mean all engines can go on the JF-17, but your insistent that JF-17 can simply take on another engine shows you have little understanding of the amount of work that goes into designing an aircraft.

You need to stop arguing the point and move ahead with discussion please.

As I stated earlier that paf kamra is very able and capable to make the required changes if need be. There is no reason for any further argument on this subject.
You need to stop setting up straw man arguments. This has nothing to do with what PAF can or cannot do. If you feel so uncomfortable that your fantasy is being attacked, then you should start providing some proofs to back up your claims.
 

rhino123

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009


Er... you are refering to Zahid and not MastanKhan... I believe. I read through his posts again and indeed he didn't suggest that any engine can be use (although, I believe he did mentioned that JF-17 is able to use any engine of its class, given that done of us actually knew the dimension and space of JF-17 there is.)
 

Lion

Senior Member
Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Yes, if you read my post clearly, that is why I said, that China agreed to that and helped also where required. If you hadn't noticed, some of the posters other then whom you are referring had said China will not allow any change and other stuff like that.



The sole reason of mentioning the example and others was this that China has helped us whenever we had wanted, they have no issue even if we ask them for an engine change, as some said it won't allow.



We have never taken credit for anything which we haven't made ourselves. China has helped us in many projects and at critical times, me and our whole nation is thankful to them for their support in every field.

And as for your wind tunnel query, yes we do have. We have wind tunnel at Institute of Space Technology, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, DESTO, KRL and at few other places also. Some are small ones and some are big ones. You can see the one at DESTO here:
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Hope this cools down the sarcasm about our abilities.



Its common sense that western equipment can be used and fired from western radars.

What i meant was that we integrated with the help of China and the manufacturer of a western system on a Chinese air frame. China did not said no to that.

So the end result is that if PAF requests China for any change, it would be done, with the collaboration of both China, Pakistan and the engine manufacturer itself.

Bro, check with MasterKhan comment posted previous... Some of his comment make us sick.

He is all the while trying to give the impression Pakistan can do whatever they want without Chinese help even doing away with things which bear the intellectual property of China without seeking their permission.

I think it just short of him saying JF-17 is a 100% product produce by Pakistan and China just steal their product.
 

flyboy2008

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

And as for your wind tunnel query, yes we do have. We have wind tunnel at Institute of Space Technology, Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, DESTO, KRL and at few other places also. Some are small ones and some are big ones. You can see the one at DESTO here:
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Hope this cools down the sarcasm about our abilities.

Sorry, that article doesn't cool down any sarcasm about Pakistan's abilities. If anything, it makes it hotter because the "wind tunnel" is roughly the size of a shoebox, and besides, according to your own source, it's designed for air born projectiles!

Yeah...reality is different from your delusional claims, isn't it?

Do you have more evidence of this "wind tunnel" capabilities by Pakistan? Or are you too embarrassed to cite more "proofs"?


So the end result is that if PAF requests China for any change, it would be done, with the collaboration of both China, Pakistan and the engine manufacturer itself.

You mean, China would do it for you guys. Pakistan would just watch.

Pakistan may "request" but China can and has said NO.

Have you not heard? Pakistan "requested" the J10, and China said NO! First finish the order of JF17s, and then maybe we'll talk about J10.

Most likely, if Pakistan "requested" for European engine for the JF17, China would come back and say NO. It's that simple. And there's nothing you guys could do about it.


TRY TO KEEP THIS CIVIL. RE-READ THE FORUM RULES. If you think the Pakistani wind tunnel is small, you can say it in a more civil tone. We will not allow country bashing on this forum of any country. Consider this a warning. - PiSigma
 

taimikhan

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Re: JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread 2009

Posted at another forum by Wangrong: Most probably, newer JF-17s being transferred to Pakistan for final assembly.

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