Modern Carrier Battle Group..Strategies and Tactics

latenlazy

Brigadier
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

Depends on the objective of the mission. If it is to dissuade an aggressive nation, then the ability to damage key defence infrastructure in this way could be highly effective. Likewise if you wanted to clear the path for an Amphibious Assault Group its a cheap and low risk option.

Will big nations use this system against each other? well would big nations want to use any system against each other. I could however have a big impact on proxies and the protection of Client States.
I'm just pointing out how the need for physical presence in some missions will continue to make the carrier group highly relevant. Even if your primary objective is to soften defenses for other purposes like amphibious assaults, having that physical presence acting as a mobile base is a very powerful asset.
 

marclees

New Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

I had always supposed that it would have required the US to suffer a Military Disaster involving its Carriers before the point was hit home. I do therefore give the US credit if they have indeed decided to bit the bullet in advance. If so it could be fair to say the current economic condition of the US may well have provided the final level of rationale.

So, has America suddenly decided to play the game the Chinese way?

You have opened Pandora's box by even suggesting that Carriers may soon be obsolete .

Any causal observer reading similar threads here may well be led to believe that US Naval Carriers are unsunkable ...LOL

But look at the reality , Even if US planners come to realize that the aircraft carrier battle groups (which are the mainstay of the US Navy and the main instrument of US power projection worldwide), have been rendered
vulnerable or obsolete by a changing naval landscape , can it ever be acknowledged ?


The US cannot simply change strategy or discard such a weapons
system. To change strategy or "retool" would mean wasting
hundreds of billions of dollars invested in those highly
sophisticated systems. The strong lobbying of influential defense
contractors making those systems would make change extremely
difficult.

For defense authorities to admit the strategic blunder constitutes
an almost insurmountable barrier to a change of strategy. And
finally, the loss of hundreds of thousands of jobs related to those
systems may be politically and economically unbearable for any
US administration to bear should the program for the aircraft
carrier battle groups be scrapped.

Because of these factors,America may be stuck with an obsolete system that is too expensive to maintain but will may not best serve US interest when
employed in a major conflict.

We'll well into the 21st century . Yet there are 19th Century mindset & relics hovering around ; and some of them sincerely believe that US Naval Carriers cannot be sunk.

The Chinese Admirals must be very happy ...:rofl:
 

Lion

Senior Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

To sink another fleet. You can do it without carrier but to occupy a distant foreign land. You definitely need one or 2 to do the jobs.

I believe more or less carrier is only useful for taking on much weaker forces without strong aircover and navy forces.

But in a fair conventional warfare of both modern forces fighting each other. Sending a fleet of carrier trying to attack yout foes is sucide.
 

globedweller

Just Hatched
Registered Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

We all talk about the carrier to project power, but the mayor problem will by the way we protect the GPS orbital sattelite's
Because most weapon system run on it.
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

NO Its the American Admirals that would be very happy if the Pro Carrier Element in the Chinese Navy had their way.
 

marclees

New Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

NO Its the American Admirals that would be very happy if the Pro Carrier Element in the Chinese Navy had their way.

But the Chinese Pro Carrier elements did not get the toys they wanted ; instead China Navy embarked on a regime of submarines , Missiles , and Carrier Killers ASBM ....

So that means now there are 2 unhappy admirals , the American Admirals , and the Chinese Pro carrier admirals...
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

But the Chinese Pro Carrier elements did not get the toys they wanted ; instead China Navy embarked on a regime of submarines , Missiles , and Carrier Killers ASBM ....

So that means now there are 2 unhappy admirals , the American Admirals , and the Chinese Pro carrier admirals...

What about the Varyag and possibly two others over the next decade?
 

SampanViking

The Capitalist
Staff member
Super Moderator
VIP Professional
Registered Member
Re: The End of the Carrier Age?

What about the Varyag and possibly two others over the next decade?

There is; as previously stated, a big difference between Marine Aviation and the Carrier Strike Group. If you read the other Carrier threads, there are many instances of posters from both sides of the argument bemoaning that Varyag and the other Chinese Carriers will not be the size and complexity of the Nimitz Class Strike Carrier and only seem to follow the Russian doctrine.

Maybe now we know why.
 
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