New Type98/99 MBT thread

RedMercury

Junior Member
Effective range of tank gun is more important than the size of tank. If you out-range the other guy, you achieve the shoot first kill first advantage. Small size of T-71 offer not much advantage.
Depends on terrain.

Also, overpressure NBC is built in AC. Maybe not as cold as the Pakistani army requires, though.
 

Pointblank

Senior Member
A larger room and comfort translate to longer endurance in optimum combat alert, this will become for critical is a bettle last more than 24 hours with-out rest. Fatigue crew can't aim and shoot as good as in the first hours of battle.

Effective range of tank gun is more important than the size of tank. If you out-range the other guy, you achieve the shoot first kill first advantage. Small size of T-71 offer not much advantage.

It also means more room to move the large ammo pieces around, or to store the little things that make fighting over the long term easier, say, food or water. It also means your head isn't banging against the hatch or a bulkhead when you go over a rough patch.
 

maozedong

Banned Idiot
as so far as I know, chinese MBT install air fan, but no air condiction include type 99, but I agree that tank should have air condiction, whether south or north China, summer time is very hot, such as Beijing, in summer time, august,people walk in the street for long time that will feel hard, some people may dizzy. in Tank, how hot we can imagine,soldiers a long time in the tank will affect the combat effectiveness.
if you have seen chinese TV drama "铁甲英豪", we can see PLA leader already agree this point. but China still needs time to improve, because the narrow little space, they are technically difficult to install it.
type 99, whether it's gun fire range, armor protection, mobility,which already enter world's top three, its weight profit-51ton,if technically difficult solved,no needs make the tank larger,just improve inside space.
 
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A.Man

Major
as so far as I know, chinese MBT install air fan, but no air condiction include type 99, but I agree that tank should have air condiction, whether south or north China, summer time is very hot, such as Beijing, in summer time, august,people walk in the street for long time that will feel hard, some people may dizzy. in Tank, how hot we can imagine,soldiers a long time in the tank will affect the combat effectiveness.
if you have seen chinese TV drama "铁甲英豪", we can see PLA leader already agree this point. but China still needs time to improve, because the narrow little space, they are technically difficult to install it.
type 99, whether it's gun fire range, armor protection, mobility,which already enter world's top three, its weight profit-51ton,if technically difficult solved,no needs make the tank larger,just improve inside space.

China did not install air condition in type-99 tank, not because of technical difficulties, money, limited space. They were thinking that air condition will give more heat signatures to infrared missiles. Their mentalities have been changing that they installed air conditions to the new IFV's.

By the way, the M1A1 tank does not have an air-conditioner but the M1A2 SEP does. The Air conditioner was added to help to cool the computers and electronics. The crews just benefited from it. It just can get the crew compartment 10 degrees cooler than the outside temperature.
 
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rhino123

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China did not install air condition in type-99 tank, not because of technical difficulties, money, limited space. They were thinking that air condition will give more heat signatures to infrared missiles. Their mentalities have been changing that they installed air conditions to the new IFV's.

I was wondering if proper shielding was being provided, will it reduce the overall heat signature of the tank. Also I do not believe that the air condition will cause much increase in the heat... I mean, the hottest part of the tank is its engine, and by proper thermal shielding, it might just do the trick.
 

A.Man

Major
This is the Google translation for the summary of the interview with the Type-99 tank's chief designer

中国99坦克位列世界前三甲综合战力第一!

China ranked the world's top 99 tank top three comprehensive combat capability first!

Seen the CCTV, "everyone" Interview 99Total divisionZhu Yu-sheng, caused a stir in the foreign military enthusiasts and lively discussion. Frankly speaking, the total division has to understand his words to tell you, China's 99 main battle tanks, the top three largest in the world, main battle tank firepower, protection, mobility compared three important indicators of overall rating of 99 in the world, which means that the total DivisionEyesThe so-called the world's top ten tanks in the old eyes see only the United States on the M1A1/M1A2 and German Leopard 2 and China's 99 is the real king, the other not worth mentioning. If the top threeBattlefieldSingled out, China can win over 99 U.S. M1A1/M1A2 and German Leopard 2 ranked first.

Total teachers tell you, 99TankIs a project of 80 yearsThat when the central requirement is 99 with three generations of the world's advanced tanks, you can compete, while they think can play a draw just what is the use ah, I should have to put your destroyed! That level of overall design of the division beyond the West is based on the level of third-generation tank designs, but also exceed design requirements of the Central.

Shu-old private in the original assessment of 99 ranks first in Asia and the world's top five should be not much problems, I now looked straightforward to speak before a chief found himself too conservative, and an integrated overall rating of the original 99 actually ranked first in the world!

Some would say that a chief is not too mad, pants are not too red, or the old Sichuan is again blowing smoke!

I have to say, this is certainly not bragging, really first!

Do not believe, please listen to the old Sichuan thin argument,Peacetime Army fan controversy, mostly on paper, many data is not professional, here I try to quote99Total division and relevant experts to prove the words of.

China's 99, if the individual components on the manufacturing level and processes, certainly have more tanks than in the West big gap, but why do not the Chinese people can use a high level of process and manufacturing was able to integrate a world-class main battle tank it?

This is the system integration, tentatively called the Tian Ji's horse racing with the old saying it, to use political terminology that is systematic, comprehensive, with mathematics is the idea of 1 +1 = 2!

Systems integration capabilities, the system is how it was organized. First, the enemy's first use of new technologies. Second, is my strength to stand high ground fire. Whether you want a comparison piece by piece, then I am less than the Department of others: processing, technology, materials. The whole system relies on a comprehensive win a high. The reason why high-integrated systems thinking to win, with 99 divisions of the army general staff work not unrelated to, systemic and overall thinking is almost to be his instinct. In the Harbin Military Engineering Institute of weapons system to learn patterns of knowledge, at this time is come into play. I wish draw out health is believed that through the entire weapon system containing organic knot, can produce the effect of 1 +1> 2.

Comparing Online Army fans in the world rankings do not take tanks professional, like a single component or system of comparison, while the value perspective of the industry but never main battle tanks and combat firepower, protection, mobility three important indicators of a comprehensive appraisal, because it is the three battle tanks success and failure.

The following teachers and experts, based on total data to talk about the United States, M1A1/M1A2 and German Leopard 2 and China's 99 main battle tank firepower, protection, mobility contrast to the results of three indicators:

The first fire Competition: Domestic99Ranked No. 1 main battle tank fire

Main battle tanks in the world generally use the 120-mm smoothbore gun, while 99 had made use of 125 mm smoothbore gun, why does the 125 do? Chief designer, said the original project when the big controversy at that time. Inside there are many reasons, many comrades he does not understand the situation. Some people say how can you with the same gun that the Russian T72. Was said to be the West's advanced artillery Russia's backwardness. In fact this technology is really its own merits.1 20MmCharge is9.8L. China125Charge isl 3.4L. I charge more, they can not keep up your strength up for the disadvantages of gunpowder, And after tests found the power of 125 cannon 120 cannon is indeed greater than the West!



99 chief designer Wang Zherong

Deputy Director Shi Wang Zherong 99 tanks have been very proud to say, ZTZ99 MBT is entirely developed by us out of the Chinese themselves. On the tank's firepower is concerned, the high chamber pressure 125 mm smooth-bore tank gun using APDS tungsten alloy tail stability, it can breakdown in the 2000 meters distance of 850 mm homogeneous armor, while the use of special alloy penetrators, the same distance from wearing A capacity of 960 millimeters or more;; on the tank's fire control systems, using international advanced and popular hunting - F-type fire control system (also known as dual-command ceremony), its most notable feature is that drivers can be beyond the fire control system (gunner's) control, including shooting, track goals and direction of targets;

Wang Zherong said that the power of tanks and artillery:United States of AmericaM1A2Main battle tanks2000MDistance of the armor-piercing ability to810Mm, Germany's Leopard2A6Main battle tank is about900MmJapan90MBT is650MmThis is undoubtedly a technical indicator that we live in a leading position

So, conclusion:99Tank fire completely ranked first

The second active and passiveProtectionAbility Competition: China99Ranked first

99A2 mystery of active defense system

Battle to survive, not only to fire strong, but also to its own hard, stand each other's missile attacks. This point, the WestTankIs mainly equipped with reactive armor, belonging to the passive protection. China is clearly in excess of 99 protection, Leopard 2 and the United States M2 series, Why?

This is because 99 is not only reactive armor, but rather that they have2 Exclusive trump card:

First, the world's first advanced levelLaserSuppress the observation system

99 laser repression and observation system installed in the sight inside, with the move in the artillery, then the enemy on the battlefield he could not see me, only I saw him, only I hit him that he could not hit me, too must a.

China's main battle tanks and observation of laser systems to suppress specifically do?



Chinese-made laser countermeasure system test

Latest 99 main battle tanks, military tankTurretThe rear is equipped with laser dazzling barrage-jamming device. Maximum Distance of 4,000 meters, "Laser suppression and observation system", from the appearance point of view, the system consists of host computer, the laser transmitter, thermal imaging devices, and electronic jamming aircraft, usually in the tank turret installed in the left rear of the rotating platform, Car length and gunner can operate. According to estimates, theDeviceCan continue to launch about 100 megajoules of power blue-green laser, its powerful enough to burn 2 km away from the enemy soldiers in the retina, or directly to each other damage caused by electro-optical devices.

"Laser suppression and observation system," has two kinds of passive and active working condition. When the system is in passive mode, mainly depend on the enemy position sensing alarm device by jamming aircraft fired a weak laser beam in order to demarcate the target location; confirmed through the computer after the abrupt increases in the power of laser beam on the target and thus form a "hard-kill . " If you open the active mode, the system is the first low-energy pulsed through the regional implementation of suspicious scans, once identified the other observation instruments reflected back into the dim light of the lens will automatically open fire on and destroy them. In other words, "search and destroy" is the easiest of their combat missions summary.



Despite the fact that United States and Russia have long developed a feature similar to the laser weapon systems, but will combine with the main battle tank is the first in China and the United States and Russia still in the experimental stage. China's "repressive and observation of laser system," already quite mature, a global leader in technology.

The second is equipped with active defense system



99A2 Active Defense System

99 Total domestic division, said 99 of the plug-in passive protection, which can not afford to fight the use of heavy missiles, coupled with active defense systems, missiles, not to mention the other simply can not last 99 body bone. This proactive protection, a numerical computer calculation of shells over a good distance, 99 rounds should carry out the active protection, the error is less than one meter, in that within the scope of guarantee that you destroyed. Moreover, this system does not to operate. Switch opened, it automatically search and track targets. At the time this technology has not seen abroad昵.

Following is the early emergence of the domestic altar of domestic Army active defense system test plans, using yes yes domestic HJ-73 bomb attacks in penetration testing, I believe we will be reading the harvest.

99 tanks, the division vice president Wang Zherong openly stated that the level of protection on the tank, the99Tank turret front protection up to700Mm, Body protection ability is equivalent to500~600Mm thick homogeneous steel armor, if the turret and the body to install the new pairs of anti-reactive armor, the anti-armor and the ability to reach Pojia Tan1000~1200Mm. U.S.M1A2The thickness of body and turret armor is equivalent to600MmAnd700MmThe homogeneous armor, Germany's Leopard2A6The thickness of body and turret armor is equivalent to580MmAnd700MmThe homogeneous armor, Japan90-Type body and turret armor thickness is equivalent to500MmAnd560Mm homogeneous armor. From this, weZTZ99Main battle tanks, armored tanks and the West is basically the same level of protection level.

Combining these tanks, the world's active and passive protection level, the Chinese because there are 99 exclusive two exclusive proactive protection technology can ranked first in the world.

The third mobile comparison:99The individual behind the tank to reach the world advanced level in general



Wang Zherong Some say that the99Tanks, power systems, using883KW(1200Hp)The turbo-charged diesel engine in the cooling power, maximum road speed of up to70Km/Hours0~32Km acceleration time of12Seconds.

Due to restrictions on the level of engine technology, mobility has become a relatively weak links-style 99, but the overall division in other ways I wish Yu-Mi Park, Health and momentum less than disadvantages. A chief Zhu Yusheng said that many people believe that MlA2 1,500 horsepower, a lot of people think that the advanced l500 horsepower. In fact, it is not advanced, it is a misconception, tanks, mobile key is its t-power, the number of one-ton load with it power to go. M1A2 variant of the t-power is only 23.8 hp / ton. He made a little higher than the 99-type, mobility as a matter of fact, but I'm less fuel consumption. Greatly reduce the logistical burden. Therefore, and Ml ^ 2 compared to 99 mobile is not lagging behind, due to fuel consumption and less on the battlefield 99 with the same amount of oil can be run farther.

Wang Zherong said that Western country's industrial base, high levels of the engine, power transmission system reliability, regardless of our tanks and M1A2, Leopard 2A6, or 90-type compared, there is a certain gap. However, as China's new generation of high-power 1103 kilowatts (1,500 hp) engine was successfully developed, and this gap will be further reduced.

In addition, the body compared with the mobility

A chief Zhu Yu-sheng,Domestic99Comparison of low shape(Than leopard2Dwarf near400mm,MlA2Dwarf200m). Dwarf on the survival rate high, shot in the small area. Dwarf tanks and how many things inside the Ken layout, research into how to release too. A little light on the dwarf is not a simple matter, the United States hopes that his Ml is low, lower, not down. Because of its engine and transmission high. And in 99 body shape has adopted a modular structure, and a lot of replacement parts are removable. Not only lose weight, but also left room to upgrade.

Not only dwarf the contrary, 99 tank chassis, but higher than the M1A2, such a low vehicle height of the chassis is more conducive to the battlefield through rate and the mobility of complex terrain.

This is more down, 99 Leopard 2 and M1A2 mobility and future generations in fact even more roughly equal.

Deputy Director Shi Wang Zherong said: China's development has gone through three generations of the number of tanks, ten years of hard effort and hard work to reach such a level today, it is not easy. Future development of the idea is that we should aim at the needs of future war, do not slavishly followed behind others engaged in, so then we will always be in a backward state. ZTZ99 MBT in terms of the overall level of the present-day, behind the world's top three should not have any criticism.

If Wang Zherong This ranking is already quite modest, while the total division, said Zhu Yusheng is just a bit more straightforward.

You will reflect, China ranked the world's top 99 tanks, the top three comprehensive combat capability first, it should be no problem bar!
 

A.Man

Major
What is the operating cost for ZTZ-99 tank?

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Google translation

China's new tanks 1 hour to 7,000 yuan

Start, Guadang, fuel ... ... With the "engine" roar, "Tank" line of departure, such as train has already left out. Yesterday morning, reporters in the Shenyang Military Region, a certain armored regiment, and new driver training tanks, together with training in a simulated tank driving electric classrooms participated in the simulation training.

"Simulation training for bothSaveThe training cost, but also improved the efficiency of the training to achieve a 'win-win'. "Jiang Minghua commander of the regiment, told reporters that" dozens of tons of a heavy tank weight, power, hundreds of horsepower, such a heavy guy He walked up and starting a lot of oil! "Then, he told reporters calculations: real car train 1 hour consumes nearly 40 liters of diesel fuel, coupled with the engine, gearbox and other major components of the loss,A new tank for each motor consumes at least 7,000 yuan an hour, a pilot new training down, at least 35 motor hours;

The use of simulated training of pilots, each pilot required for motorized hours have decreased by almost 40%, at least save 2-30000 yuan. "Our new training year as tanks, armored vehicles and special vehicles nearly a hundred drivers, alone, can save fuel, and other consumption of more than 200 million."

Driving simulation training is being organized with the tank 4 Dong-Wei Li, deputy company commander, told reporters: "With simulation training, new training pilots in general only need to go through two or three days training in a real car, they can grasp the basic driving skills, and through a period of time consolidation, will be able to skillfully drive a tank. "(paper, Shenyang July 30 AFP)
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
This is posted over at CDF from the PLA Daily.


Next generation of Chinese tanks will possess all-dimensional attack capability


  “China will produce the next generation of main battle tank which is able to launch all-dimensional attacks and conduct all-directional self-protection with the number of tank crew reduced to 2,” said Mao Ming, director of China North Vehicle Research Institute (CNVRI) when receiving the interview of Tank and Armored Vehicle magazine.

  According to Mao Ming, the most advanced tank in active service in the PLA is type-99 main battle tank, which has 3 crew members after a feeding man is eliminated. He held that the next generation of main battle tank is likely to have only 2 crew members, i.e., a gunner and a driver sitting side by side.

  Mao Ming said that the enhanced information ability will be the most important change to the next generation of tanks. The target detecting device in the tank is connected with a command-and-attack network with many command systems and sensors from which the tank will receive real time useful information about the target. The fire performance of the tank will be further expanded. Besides direct aiming and launching missiles, the tank also has indirect aiming and shooting ability. It can not only hit near-distance and far-distance objects, but also hit aerial targets. Generally speaking, the main battle tank of 他和next generation will combine the direct and indirect aiming to realize all-dimensional attacking.

  When it comes to the weight of the tank, Mao Ming pointed out that China’s main battle tank of the next generation should be lightweight with good strategic mobile capacity which meant rapid deployment in the combat area. The chassis system of the tank will be a general-purpose one with changeable and modularized loads for battles in the city or field battles in north China and in south China.

  By Yang Tiehu

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