Ordinary PLA infantrymen

Nethappy

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Originally Posted by aquilis182 View Post
When I was talking about the type 56 I get that from wikipedia I already know the PLA is using type 81s and now Im taking that in cosideration, to be honest with you I dont know that riffles specs. I never say the PLA trainning was bad or c##p as maybe you though buddy... I just say U.S. Army trainning its better than the PLA. Oviusly amunnitions, micelaneous, trainning cost money that aint free buddy I read at
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than all China's military budget was about a little over $65 billions including PLA, PLAAF and PLAN. U.S. Army alone is $80 billions. Now thats one of the ways I backed up my argument, besides even in
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you can find information about how the PLA and a lot of countries (including U.S.A.) TRADOC (trainning and doctrine) are
I take my experience in the U.S. Army and what I read in
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to describe U.S. forces and I take what I read in
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and a lot of other internet sources to describe the PLA. thats how I know information about the PLA and U.S. Forces. I respectfully ask you to take a loock to this website and tell me
your own conclussion. If you have a source than say otherwise please I ask you to let me know and if is in english much better. If someone here know any chinese military source in english Im eager to read what they say... probably I can learn a lot of stuff

Mate don't use money as an indicator to judge their level of training... considering the different in wage, cost of living, cost of equipment or even the cost of da bullet. Anyone with half a brain would know everything is cheaper in China then the US.

How much a CK jacket cost in the US, the factory price in China is just 3-5 US dollars MAX.
Note: I know CK Jacket are not military issue equipment, just trying to give an example.
 

pla101prc

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i was just lookin around at some old posts. i came to this one and i am rendered speechless on not the level of ignorance of PLA infantry trainin some remarks here demonstrate, but the fact that they were even made.
first of all, about my own qualifications: three years as reservists in the Canadian Forces, former infanteer, trained with the airbourn units in the CF, who i consider to be among the best infanteers in the world (and their training is a killer). so i consider myself to have a pretty good understanding of what good training is.

for those who said PLA had crap infantry training, compared to whatever army, lemme tell you, you wont last a week doing what they do. the dude that asked for the minimum requirement in physical standards and marksmanship and all that, havent heard of an army that goes by its minimum standard, and if you wanna compare them, they'd be roughly the same anyways. i remember once trying to do some physical training by the average standard of PLA soldiers, sorry to say i couldnt match them in areas that i usually do better than my battlebuddies in such as running and push-ups. their training is extremely tough, though that does not exactly constitute good trainin, it does foster iron-hard discipline. corruption is quite a problem in the PLA but discipline amongst the lower rank formations is something PLA soldiers take pride in. the forces that were said to be well-disciplined in disaster relief operations are usually second-rate units.

as for trainin quality, PLA infanteers spend a lot of time in the field, that's what matters the most when it comes to training. on average, i wouldnt say PLA infantry is the best in the world, especially compared to smaller armies such as the common-wealth armies, but compared to other large army units like the US army, they no less competent. (obviously lack real combat experience but that's a different issue)
 

luhai

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Okay, since this old thing is up. Thanks to better transparency of PLA related news in the English media, here is a piece about PLA recruitment process. (So to the way earlier comment, they do do recruitment drives.

PLA launches largest recruitment drive among graduates
(Xinhua)
Updated: 2009-07-05 18:47
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BEIJING: Millions of Chinese college graduates are being offered another government-paid career opportunity as the Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) beckons with the message, "We Want You!"

Graduates of three-year and four-year studies and postgraduate programs were target recruits for the two-year compulsory service, Hou Qishan, an official with recruitment office of Ministry of National Defense, said on Sunday.

It was the largest recruitment drive among college graduates since 1955 when China established the compulsory military service system.

Targeting both male and female graduates aged 18 to 24, the drive had signed up an estimated 120,000 recruits, who would start their military careers at the end of 2009, Hou said.

Graduate recruits could receive up to 6,000 yuan per year as reimbursement for tuition fees to a maximum 24,000 yuan, according to the ministries of education and finance, which are implementing the plan.

Graduates who apply would be interviewed before they left campus this summer, and those who qualified could still choose civilian employers if they find jobs before the year-end.

Meanwhile, college students yet to finish their studies could also apply and their colleges would allow them to resume their courses when they complete their service, according the Education Ministry.

The PLA has previously relied mostly on high school graduates and the unemployed, although all males aged 18 to 22 are nominally obliged to undergo two years of service according to the country's conscription law.

Most college students take part in month-long military training.

China's State Council, or Cabinet, revised the government's recruitment regulations in September 2001 to enlist college students for the first time in a pilot scheme. More than 2,000 students around the country were recruited in the first year.

The move was originally intended to raise awareness of the responsibility and honor of serving the country in peacetime as the PLA has never had a problem finding new recruits.

But the military authorities soon realized the advantages of better educated enlisted personnel, especially in information-intensive posts.

Tang Yuying, a member of the 10th National People's Congress (NPC), proposed a bill to the top legislature in 2005 to enshrine the recruitment of college students into the conscription law.

College students had professional advantages in information technologies, legal affairs and management after they were recruited, said Tang, who was a senior engineer in a PLA communications unit.

Although Tang's bill is yet to be adopted, the State Council and the Central Military Commission started to promote recruitment in all colleges and universities in October 2005.

The government has also offered more favorable treatment to college graduates since the beginning of this year.

Premier Wen Jiabao said in the government report to the 11th NPC's second session on March 5 that graduates would be reimbursed for tuition fees or student loans if they served in rural regions or armed forces.

Moreover, graduate recruits would be preferred for promotions as non-commissioned officers or recommended to military academies. Those with bachelor degrees and outstanding performance could be directly commissioned.

After the two-year service, they could receive priority in programs to train grassroots police officers and other law enforcement positions.

They would also get an extra 10 points in entrance examinations for postgraduate studies after the service.

The recruitment drive is also regarded by some analysts as a measure to ease unemployment amid the global economic downturn.

A Defense Ministry survey of 22,000 colleges and universities found about 1.44 million male graduates were interested in military service.

With another 883,000 high school graduates who will not be enrolled by colleges and universities this summer, the potential recruitment pool is a record 2.32 million.

"This is amazing for recruitment. We never had so many choices before," said Hou. "We only recruited 39,000 college graduates last year."

Bai Zixing, director of Defense Ministry's recruitment office, said college graduates would meet the demand for information technology skills to operate the PLA's increasingly sophisticated equipment.

"The better education the enlisted personnel have, the better abilities to learn new tasks and operations they will gain," Bai said.

It would also reduce the education gap between enlisted personnel and commissioned officers who have at least three years of military academy studies, Bai said.
 

rhino123

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Okay, since this old thing is up. Thanks to better transparency of PLA related news in the English media, here is a piece about PLA recruitment process. (So to the way earlier comment, they do do recruitment drives.

From one of the paragraph in the article that you have posted, it seemed that China do have conscription law and males aged 18 to 22 are required to go through 2 yrs of service. That is something really new, I have never heard of this law taking effect and I do know a number of mainland chinese, they never get call in for training or to serve.

I am interested in that law and under what circumstances will they be called in.
 

adeptitus

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I read from Tsinghua University web site:

In 2003 the tuition for undergraduate students enrolled in disciplines other than art is 5,000 yuan per person for the year, and the boarding cost is 1,500 yuan. As in the Academy of Arts and Design, each student in the Department of Art History pays 4,800 yuan in annual tuition, and each student in the Department of Arts Design and the Department of Painting pays 12,000 yuan per year.


If the cost of annual college tuition + room and board is only 5000+1500 = 6,500 RMB, then the PLA's 6,000 RMB/year education reimbursement is pretty close to off-setting the cost. But having gone through undergrad and grad school, I think there's gotta be a lot of other expenses to be added on top.

Does anyone have a more realistic number for the cost of attending universities in China?
 

LostWraith

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From one of the paragraph in the article that you have posted, it seemed that China do have conscription law and males aged 18 to 22 are required to go through 2 yrs of service. That is something really new, I have never heard of this law taking effect and I do know a number of mainland chinese, they never get call in for training or to serve.

I am interested in that law and under what circumstances will they be called in.

China has plenty of willing recruits who seek a military career whether for better social opportunities, benefits, or in rare cases, fun and thrills. In fact the number of volunteers in China are so high and combined with the fact that China is trying to cut down on the size of its military, that the recruiting process is not only smooth, the recruiters can actually afford to be very selective. At no point in recent Chinese history was a draft ever close to being called.

Therefore active conscript for the PLA is purely nominal and has never been called into effect. College students however, are subjected to several weeks of general training as a ceremonial gesture of preparing them as part of the People's Militia, which is a separate entity from the PLA. The very best from this training program are sometimes offered some prestigious opportunities in the armed forces, and these are completely voluntary, though very tempting offers due to the great benefits and salary you would get. My father almost made it to the final round when he was in college, but was eliminated due to his less than beyond perfect eye sight.

There is also a ROTC style program in China for college students that my cousin actually went through. According to him, the reserve officers will not commission unless a major conflict depletes the majority of junior officers, of which the odds is very very small.
 

pla101prc

Senior Member
the university and high school army training no longer serves the purpose of providing men for "people's war", China doesnt need that anymore after soviet union collapsed.
 

sidewinder01

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the university and high school army training no longer serves the purpose of providing men for "people's war", China doesnt need that anymore after soviet union collapsed.

You are totally right, but I do not know why they still make us do it. I remmber doing it in high school for the first 3 weeks of high school, I puked every morning for the first week because they make you jog 50 laps every morning before classes. The good part is - I got to shoot guns at the end :)
 

rhino123

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You are totally right, but I do not know why they still make us do it. I remmber doing it in high school for the first 3 weeks of high school, I puked every morning for the first week because they make you jog 50 laps every morning before classes. The good part is - I got to shoot guns at the end :)

Think of it this way, might make u feel better... they provide you with free exercise regime that others had to pay hundreds of dollars to enrolled in outside and might not get the same result... lol.

Anyway, I believe it is not the old people wars doctrine that they are trying to instill in the mind of young high schooler. Those who could reach High School in China are consider elites (I believe) and so they are more or less trying to brain wash these youngsters with the military training they receive, instil discipline and teach them loyalty to the motherland, etc, etc.
 

jackbh

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I think now adays making to high school in China means nothing just like every where else that has schools. Some times even making to college would be meaningless hahaha.
 
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