The Korean war
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Fried Rice summed it up perfectly. The Chinese were generally very sophisticted in terms of tactics. They played their cards almost perfectly and evicted the US and UN forces from North Korea by using their ability to infiltrate and attack from multiple directions at once. Later on they used the terrain to maximum advantage to neutralize UN armour. At some points human wave tactics were used to achieve critical objectives. It's all been said. All that I would add is that after the lines stablized in about '52, the UN forces probably could have massed their firepower and pushed the Chinese back, but it really was not worth it politically (ongoing ceasefire negotiations, likelihood of heavy casualties, they had already basically reached the 38th parallel).
I am always so saddened and confused by the fact that the Korean War gets so ignored in the West. It was really quite an epic conflict and took more lives that Vietnam (well at least more American lives).
I am always so saddened and confused by the fact that the Korean War gets so ignored in the West. It was really quite an epic conflict and took more lives that Vietnam (well at least more American lives).
How is shot gun a suitable defence against human wave?
machineguns are very powerful, but the closer you get to them the narrow the arc of bullet spraying. At a certain point a big heavy M1919 30cal or m2 50 cal is just to big to be used in close. A pump action shot gun is ideal for close range >50m combat. You do not have to be as accurate as with a rifle or pistol, it can still hold a bayonet, and has more knock down power and the same size magazine as the M1911 45 cal.
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Shotguns are not good for massed people, though the 12 gauge slug gives a great oomphf it does not "spread" as much as you'd think (usually online flash games have that huge spreading XD). A shotgun is best used at close/mid range where it has maximized stopping power and high probability of giving injuries. But if you were to fight a human wave with shotguns, they are mostly semiauto recock at best and b*tch to reload, the M1014s that were requested have 4-6 shots of capacity before you need to stuff them back in... *by hand*. Also, having an effective range of 40-100m (100 only under the condition that you use rifle slugs) its not very good to use against an approaching human wave either (which any sane force would try to confront on plain ground while being in cover themselves rather than at close range, which is where shotguns excell at). It would rather make sense that they needed it because the PVA soldiers got close up without them noticing.
Since the PVA soldiers do outnumber their UN counterparts, the UN tended to exaggerate the numbers. You can always view "more chinese than people around you" as "massed chinese forces" when being on the recieving end. During the border disputes, the Indian forces also simply added a digit to any Chinese force they came across (if there are 50, say there were 500). I mean, just look at how you see us in stereotypical view... what Superheroes do DC/Marvel give the Chinese?
"The Collective Man: Identical Quintupletts that can combine"
"Mother of Champions: Can get pregnant by herself and gives birth to 'litter warriors' that do her bidding every 3 weeks"
Apparantly, Chinese don't seem to have much individual value for many people out their, they're faceless mook type clone troopers...
Approaching PVA assault group during the korean war. Using assault groups of 30-40 men, one after another does not make up a "Human Wave". There's a difference between having enough small assault groups to constantly reinforce the leading elements of your assault and simply throwing every man you have at the enemies line. Compare this method with a Japanese "Banzai" attack or a planless charge of revolutionaries those are true human wave tactics.
Most sources of the Korean war by non-chinese media (Chinese ones are always considered propaganda
) are mostly something like:
-"Our dominant airforce fought bravely" (ofc it was dominant, the PVA had no air support and Soviet planes refused to go beyond Manchuria)
-"The marines fought bravely"
-"The marines sustained heavy losses but fought bravely and caused great casualties among the chinese"
-"The marines fought bravely"
-"Though the marines fought bravely, they had to retreat"
-"The marines held their position XXkm south of Seoul and fought bravely, putting the chinese advance to a halt"
-"We recaptured Seoul! The marines fought bravely and won!"
-"The marines, who fought bravely got awarded"
-"Did I mention they fought bravely yet?"
By the time they did "held their position", it was already the longest retreat of any US army in history, taken a beating from nearly at the chinese border to south of Seoul, and that mainly because the PVA's advance had their supply lines stuttering in addition to fatigue (don't forget though Chinese are the historically renown "walking army", they also have limits after walking all the way to korea and then giving chase while fighting barely having vehicules) and major reinforcements and reorganisation of the "UN" forces.
I always remember how a Swiss-French History teacher told me how it was 'UN' instead of American:
"Because the Russians boycotted the UN due to the USA recognizing Taiwan as 'China' instead of... well, *China* and the force would be nigh-complete US, there was noone to veto a UN involvement. It was basically the result of 2 sucker moves by the US in a row"
Since the PVA soldiers do outnumber their UN counterparts, the UN tended to exaggerate the numbers. You can always view "more chinese than people around you" as "massed chinese forces" when being on the recieving end. During the border disputes, the Indian forces also simply added a digit to any Chinese force they came across (if there are 50, say there were 500). I mean, just look at how you see us in stereotypical view... what Superheroes do DC/Marvel give the Chinese?
"The Collective Man: Identical Quintupletts that can combine"
"Mother of Champions: Can get pregnant by herself and gives birth to 'litter warriors' that do her bidding every 3 weeks"
Apparantly, Chinese don't seem to have much individual value for many people out their, they're faceless mook type clone troopers...
Approaching PVA assault group during the korean war. Using assault groups of 30-40 men, one after another does not make up a "Human Wave". There's a difference between having enough small assault groups to constantly reinforce the leading elements of your assault and simply throwing every man you have at the enemies line. Compare this method with a Japanese "Banzai" attack or a planless charge of revolutionaries those are true human wave tactics.
Most sources of the Korean war by non-chinese media (Chinese ones are always considered propaganda
) are mostly something like:-"Our dominant airforce fought bravely" (ofc it was dominant, the PVA had no air support and Soviet planes refused to go beyond Manchuria)
-"The marines fought bravely"
-"The marines sustained heavy losses but fought bravely and caused great casualties among the chinese"
-"The marines fought bravely"
-"Though the marines fought bravely, they had to retreat"
-"The marines held their position XXkm south of Seoul and fought bravely, putting the chinese advance to a halt"
-"We recaptured Seoul! The marines fought bravely and won!"
-"The marines, who fought bravely got awarded"
-"Did I mention they fought bravely yet?"
By the time they did "held their position", it was already the longest retreat of any US army in history, taken a beating from nearly at the chinese border to south of Seoul, and that mainly because the PVA's advance had their supply lines stuttering in addition to fatigue (don't forget though Chinese are the historically renown "walking army", they also have limits after walking all the way to korea and then giving chase while fighting barely having vehicules) and major reinforcements and reorganisation of the "UN" forces.
I always remember how a Swiss-French History teacher told me how it was 'UN' instead of American:
"Because the Russians boycotted the UN due to the USA recognizing Taiwan as 'China' instead of... well, *China* and the force would be nigh-complete US, there was noone to veto a UN involvement. It was basically the result of 2 sucker moves by the US in a row"
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Sorry but I am just reading through the discussion and just wondering where is this actual photo's of the Chinese human wave casualties?
you wanna see human wave casualties? the US used that in omaha. they lost 2000 men to a single machine gun position. you can go find a couple of photos of that on the internet
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