Japan spots Chinese Warships

MIGleader

MIGleader

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yup, aegis is a great system. and the chinese stole it. i hope they can keep upgrading the stolen tech.
the kaigun has some of the best silors in the world, 140 state of art warships, moder subs(not to many) and lpds...which may not be so defensive. the somewhat even the floor, china needs more advanced subs, facs , and most of all, a full carrier.
but china can also rely on the help of the russian pacific fleet for help against japan. and the chinese can sink the jap navy simply with money

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MIGleader

MIGleader

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bd popeye said:
Yea thanks to Bubba Clinton!

Say does anyone know how well the PLAN Ageis may work? How much tech did they really get? I think they got some.
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im pretty sure they got the about 70% of modern aegis use. they already have some experince in advenced softwares and filled in the gaps. they may be developing a system based on the stolen aegis right now.
 
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Chinese Warships

Someone mentioned that the UK Navy is more powerful than the Chinese and Japanese Navies. I beg to disagree. Firstly, the PLAN matching ship type against ship type I think is in better shape. The PLAN has a mix of weapons from ciws type cannons to SSM and SAM and their associated systems. The UK Navy is slowly dying. In fact, the 1983 Falklands War was a rout. The UK Navy lost a number of ships,sailors and equipment. In fact, had the Argentine AF and Navy used proper weapons, more UK ships would have been destroyed. The UK got lucky that many bombs which hit it's ships simply pasted thru the ships or bounced off of them.

The PLAN I has the excellent Kilo Class SSKs and while the Royal Navy does maintain and excellent fleet of boats and training crews, they like the US Navy would be out numbered. As for the surface forces, the UK Navy does not have large DD/DDG type warships able go toe to toe with the PLAN. I think even the PLAN FFGs match or surpass the over the horizon capability of the UK destroyers and corvettes.

As for the PLAN Air Force, they would have no problem dealing with the Fleet Air Arm, which is losing deadicated fleet defense fighters (FA2s) and the AIM120 capabilities they bring to bare. I think the H6s would be a major threat as would various air,surface and subsurface launched ASMs.
 
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vincelee said:
before anyone start talking about how the Chinese stole AEGIS, go take a signal processing class and a semiconductor class.
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I agree. I think it would be impossible to steal the entire technology behind AEGIS. It is quite likely that Chinese front companies were able to steal some of it though and incorporate it into their own crude designs. Chinese "AEGIS" wanna-be ships will never be as capable as American designs. There is so much built into the AEGIS architecture. And this technology is spread too far and wide throughout the U.S. defense infrastructure. You can't steal your way to the top.

The PLAN has shown alot of improvement, but they are barely trying to get "AEGIS" type of ships. IT takes years to make these things work, and get crews trained to force levels adequate to tackle real world naval missions. The USN has tens of millions of man-hours in experience in running these types of ships. I personally don't think the PLAN will ever catch up.

AND BTW, the USN will incorporate technologies beyond AEGIS with the new CGX and DDX designs. What most people forget when they talk of PLAN, is that the U.S. is not standing still. They're still moving forward very rapidly also.

Never?
 
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Su-27 Pilot said:
USN is one. A joint multi-national navy is another one. A future Russo-sino navy is one too.......if the future allows.....
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:p The USN and the UK are like brothers. No threat for UK carriers there.

No such thing as a multi-national navy.

Russia-Sino navy is a pipe-dream.......and here you're what-iffing the future. So my point stands. UK carriers aren't in any danger whatsoever.
 
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Re: Chinese Warships

Raven said:
Someone mentioned that the UK Navy is more powerful than the Chinese and Japanese Navies. I beg to disagree. Firstly, the PLAN matching ship type against ship type I think is in better shape. The PLAN has a mix of weapons from ciws type cannons to SSM and SAM and their associated systems. The UK Navy is slowly dying. In fact, the 1983 Falklands War was a rout. The UK Navy lost a number of ships,sailors and equipment. In fact, had the Argentine AF and Navy used proper weapons, more UK ships would have been destroyed. The UK got lucky that many bombs which hit it's ships simply pasted thru the ships or bounced off of them.

The PLAN I has the excellent Kilo Class SSKs and while the Royal Navy does maintain and excellent fleet of boats and training crews, they like the US Navy would be out numbered. As for the surface forces, the UK Navy does not have large DD/DDG type warships able go toe to toe with the PLAN. I think even the PLAN FFGs match or surpass the over the horizon capability of the UK destroyers and corvettes.

As for the PLAN Air Force, they would have no problem dealing with the Fleet Air Arm, which is losing deadicated fleet defense fighters (FA2s) and the AIM120 capabilities they bring to bare. I think the H6s would be a major threat as would various air,surface and subsurface launched ASMs.
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I'm sorry but you are wrong.

PLAN AAW and ASW capability is lacking. Most of the SAMS are crotale except for the Sovs, 052B, and 052C. Modern ASW warfare is non-existant.

The UK won and re-captured the Falkland Islands, they lost around 5 ships in doing so.

RN has 4 Astute Class and 7 Trafalgar Class SSN's are comparable to Improve LA Class subs. PLAN does not have the capability to effectively prosecute these subs with out suffering catastrophic losses.
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IT is armed with tomahawk cruise missiles and spearfish torpedoes.

RN has 14 type 23 Frigates
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8 Type 42 Destroyers.

Planning to acquire 12 of the new Horizon Class DDG, aremd with PAAMS and Aster 30.
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Plus 2 new CVF that they are building. PLAN is out match.
 
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Re: Chinese Warships

Raven said:
Someone mentioned that the UK Navy is more powerful than the Chinese and Japanese Navies. I beg to disagree. Firstly, the PLAN matching ship type against ship type I think is in better shape. The PLAN has a mix of weapons from ciws type cannons to SSM and SAM and their associated systems. The UK Navy is slowly dying. In fact, the 1983 Falklands War was a rout. The UK Navy lost a number of ships,sailors and equipment. In fact, had the Argentine AF and Navy used proper weapons, more UK ships would have been destroyed. The UK got lucky that many bombs which hit it's ships simply pasted thru the ships or bounced off of them.
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Upcoming RN acquisitions from 2005 - 2015:
2x 60,00 ton Aircraft Carriers
4x 16,000 ton Largs Bay Class amphibious transports
4x 7,200 ton Astute class nuclear powered attack submarines
12x 7,200 ton Daring Class (Type 45) Frigates's with European designed air defense system (SAMPSON, PAAMS, Sylver VLS, Aster 15/30).

So what makes you think the Royal Navy is slowly dying? They won the Falklands war and I think everyone here would agree that the RN is far more powerful than the Argentine Navy today.

By 2015 the RN will be operating 2x 60,000 ton A/C's with JSX and possibly carrier version of Eurofighter, protected by Type 45 Frigates. The Royal Navy's power projection capability in 2015 will be a lot stronger than the 20,000 ton Invincible class A/C's in service today.
 
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Su-27 Pilot said:
Sea Dog said:
:p The USN and the UK are like brothers. QUOTE]

In the world Every man is for himself.
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You obviously don't understand Western philosophy or the situation between our two nations. The USA and the UK will always have an economic and military bond. Chinese philosophy doesn't quite cut it in this situation.
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Jeff Head

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Sea Dog said:
I think this thread has gone way off
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Well, then here. Let's try and get it back on target. In a few short years...these Japanese ships may be spotted...two of them.

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Probably escorted by a Kongo and othjer JMSDF DDGs.
 
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