Rome vs Han China

IDonT said:

It was the Ottomans who finally conquered Constantinople.

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thinking like a westerner...always obsessed with race.

it was a muslim army composed of many races led by ottomani
turks who's leader was the khaliph.

my ancestors thus took part in the war that finally ended the evil
that was Rome.

so who won ?

FreeAsia2000 said:

thinking like a westerner...always obsessed with race.

it was a muslim army composed of many races led by ottomani
turks who's leader was the khaliph.

my ancestors thus took part in the war that finally ended the evil
that was Rome.

so who won ?

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Not obsessed with race. Just pointing out who defeated who.

Rome was as evil in its day as all other empires.

Romans could not solve a problem which is after the sword queeches, the iron sword became really soft, could be snapped easyily. therefore romans had short swords instead of long swords, (otherwise, snap... )

But Han had some technology, such as tempering and Point hardening, which was very helpful. Chinese solders could have a iron sword around 60-80 cm long, and it is the best length for fighting.

Also the Hardness of Romans weapons were around 100-400 HV (normally, short sword was around 200 something, the hardest was a knife, aroudn 700 HV.

people found some iron sword during the Warring states, the hardness up to 560 HV
Hardness of Qin's bronze Sword were around 150-300 Hv
Hardness of Han's iron Sword were around 500-1200 Hv.



And i can tell u guys what kind of tactics did huns use to aginst Roman's and Han'
They fire lots of the arrows to the air, therefore Romans use their shield to guard top of themself. at same time some Huns fire horizontally. Then use cavalry to RUSH to the Romans.

But Han's had a weapon called wu gang che. 6 metre long, 4.2 m wide (might be smaller. ) pikes were in the front of it and big shield on the top and sides, and also, it can carry a few crossbow man as well.
In the battles, Han placed Wu gang che in a circle or build a defense line,Use crossbow man to defend and cavalary rushed to Huns base camp.

Crossbow man had different version of croosbow as well. They are called one shi, 2 shi up to 10 shi. ( one shi equals to the force is need to left up around a mass of 30 Kg )
from range of 300- 800 meters.

Han Chinese - Missile weapons. Good cavalries, armours for every soldier, overwhelming numbers, smart and strategic generals.

Romans - Great formations and disciplane soldiers. Dunno more.

Liberator said:

Han Chinese - Missile weapons. Good cavalries, armours for every soldier, overwhelming numbers, smart and strategic generals.

Romans - Great formations and disciplane soldiers. Dunno more.

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Rome had discipline professional soldiers, career generals, and the best heavy infantry in the world at that time.

In order to beat them, the Parthians use their composite bows and refrain from closing in on them. Once the legionaries got you within melee, they will most likely have won.

Rome had discipline professional soldiers, career generals, and the best heavy infantry in the world at that time.

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Yeah, they are soo good in fighting barbarians without good armour and with lower pop...

this thread is still alive?! LOL

are you guys just keep stating the same things over and over again?

career general <---- now that is what i call obvious. every military of any empire have career generals. in fact, most generals are there because they have a good record in fighting and have good knowledge of controlling troops and tactics/strategy. it's only the lower troopers that's usually conscript. even in tribes, the military leaders are more knowledgable in warfare than the new warrior.

PiSigma said:

career general <---- now that is what i call obvious. every military of any empire have career generals. in fact, most generals are there because they have a good record in fighting and have good knowledge of controlling troops and tactics/strategy. it's only the lower troopers that's usually conscript. even in tribes, the military leaders are more knowledgable in warfare than the new warrior.

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I don't recall if Rome had any conscript armies at its height.
The legionairs were professional soldiers and served for about 20 years.
The auxilia were also professional soldiers but were not Roman citizens. Citizenship were given at the end of service.

Han China had both a core professional army and used constription to bolster its ranks. This facilitated massive numbers and coupled with the ease of use of the crossbow, have a lethal army.

My question is, how well can the Han Heavy infantry keep the legionaries at bay from the crossbowman?

My question is, how well can the Han Heavy infantry keep the legionaries at bay from the crossbowman?

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Well, legionaries' turtle formations are against missiles and hackings. But can be panetrated by Crossbow.

I suggest, a book borrowed from the library about Chinese crossbow and missile weapons aswell as "The arrow storm" will help.

If the Legionaires get up close, its not that China will lose the battle, China has great cavalries that can tramble Romans. Just like the Germans. China has soldiers with high shield and short swords as well. Well up close, the battle will be a rubbish on both sides, the formations will spread.