Plan Type 095/096 Nuclear Submarine Thread

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    According to the reports, 09V started construction design and began providing drawings in 2017. Thus it is almost certain that its construction was started at the old line.
     
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    By that estimate then it could be launched by 2023. This is going by 09III standards, of course.
     
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    So when you said on the last page that "the new line is active and it is active since 2016, after the first facilities were built" what are you referring to? If it was active in 2016 does that mean it wasn't active for producing 09V, therefore for 09IIIB or something?
     
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    google translate my previous post previous page, 09V did not finish its design until 2018 Febuary, so the one before is 09IIIB or the chinese themselves called the "kai" version meaning change or upgrade with newer subsystems, thats basically about it
     
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    Find it very hard to believe a 7000 ton boat would take 5 years to build, that is even longer than the aircraft carriers.

    If it started construction in ‘18, it should take about as much time as a 052D at worst, maybe closer to a 054A.
     
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    US boats take ~3 years from being laid down to launch, and this is for long-running sub classes of which a large number of units has already been built. Chinese sub yards, by inference, are far less experienced and tooled to build subs compared to companies like GDEB, and from historical precedents it takes ~6 years for Chinese boats to make the equivalent leap.

    Of course, Bohai Shipbuilding may have evolved since the late 1990s but that's the latest time frame that we can go by.
     
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    The whole reason there is this debate is because we also give fzgfzy credibility, and what he wrote about 09V and 09VI is somewhat ahead of the schedules that we had known before, and everything is further complicated by the fact that the new production line exists. The overall secrecy of Chinese Naval nuclear submarine procurement means I don't think we can be too confident about many of our facts.

    After all, as I wrote two pages back I was under the impression that 09V production would've only began in late 2017/early 2018 at the earliest, but it seems like we are getting some information which may suggest otherwise, putting a bit of a spanner into our previous understanding and challenges us with the possibility that what we previously knew might not have been fully accurate.
     
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    "secrecy" they finish the 09V design 2018 end of Febuary and the offical public post this info in 2018 April, what more could you want? ask them to make a submarine porn?
     
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    Did you source your post from Japanese article? Kai is a Japanese approximation (On'yomi) of Chinese word meaning "Change/Improvement". See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#On'yomi_(Sino-Japanese_reading). Chinese source would spell it as Gai in Pinyin.

    Edit: Never mind, I've found your post 438 in Chinese. Apparently Google translator's fault.
     
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    Using 09IV or 09III as a baseline for 09V and 09VI may not be appropriate at all. Take 09III for example, it is a continuous improvement in every 2 or so boats. That means, 1. China wasn't fully satisfied with the initial design, 2. China has experienced a faster improvement technology and construction method than expected by themselves, 3. 09III/IV started at a time of tight military budget, end up in a time of "explosive" increasing budget. The speed of 09III/IV constructions is a mix of very slow and very fast phases, can't be indicative for a more stable and mature design and construction of later generation.
     
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