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This is (best parts) reason of China bases on SC sea / need for carriers.
09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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This is (best parts) reason of China bases on SC sea / need for carriers.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Huludao facility start production of new Sub ? Yes according to our friend Raj 47
Expansion of production facility
The Huludao facility felt the need for additional space when it started construction of Type 94 Jin-class submarines some time in 2005.Although the need for expansion was felt a while back, the project was constrained by the availability of funds. The expansion work was thus limited to land reclamation only, which continued from 2007 to 2013.
Xi Jinping’s ‘China Dream’ gave boost to the Blue Water navy ambitions and possibly funds were made available for the expansion of BSHIC’s nuclear submarine programme. The new facility on the Eastern side of Bohai shipyard started construction in mid-2015. The construction became visible and clear by mid-2016.
Gigantic new facility
The gigantic nature of this facility was revealed when the assembly hall could be compared with Hall No. 42 of Russian Severodvinsk submarine construction facility.
The size of BSHIC Huludao hall is 285 m x 130 m with more than 40,000 sq m area.
The height is almost double the previous halls in that location. It has three bays with large overhead double girder magnet gantry cranes fitted it, which could easily shift/move submarine modules to and fro. The width of girders at the top of gantries is 9 m, suggesting they could lift very heavy loads.
There is another hall of 200 m x 170 m being constructed to the north of this assembly hall. This probably will produce modules for submarines. It has five bays, two of which are smaller than others. Both the halls have traverser rails in front for transfer of modules from one hall to the other.
Thus this new assembly hall could possibly construct six nuclear submarines at any given time. The hall not only provides the workers and equipment from harsh weather conditions of Huludao but also provides cover from the prying eyes of satellites that could learn about PLAN submarine progress.
Huludao Nuclear Submarine Assembly Hall | Source: Vinayak Bhat
New submarine revealed
A closer look while assessing this facility revealed some parts, possibly of a new submarine. The width of these parts is almost 16.5 m, suggesting the probable beam of the new submarine is more than 16.5 m. It is assessed that this new submarine which possibly is the new nuclear submarine of China’s PLAN Type 96 which is rumoured to have 24x Julang 3 or JL 3 ballistic missiles with an estimated range between 8,000 km to 12,000 km.
A 16.5 m beam with approximately 4 m of hump would easily accommodate every Dong Feng or DF missile in China’s nuclear ballistic missiles inventory.
Implications
It is assessed that the new submarine production facility constructed at Huludao will enhance the speed of the Chinese PLAN nuclear submarine production by at least six times. Any increase in China’s equipment profile would have an effect on India’s security scenario. This particular capability would increase China’s abilities to snoop on Indian naval activities in the Indian Ocean Region and the Arabian Sea.
China’s nuclear submarines have been visiting Karachi and Colombo. China has also been a supplier of submarines to Pakistan and Bangladesh. It will be interesting to watch if China would proliferate the new nuclear submarines to its favourite, Pakistan. The Julang 2 and 3 with 8,000 km or more range can cover the entire IOR with ease. The looming threat of Julang missiles will be omnipresent.
Expansion of production facility
The Huludao facility felt the need for additional space when it started construction of Type 94 Jin-class submarines some time in 2005.Although the need for expansion was felt a while back, the project was constrained by the availability of funds. The expansion work was thus limited to land reclamation only, which continued from 2007 to 2013.
Xi Jinping’s ‘China Dream’ gave boost to the Blue Water navy ambitions and possibly funds were made available for the expansion of BSHIC’s nuclear submarine programme. The new facility on the Eastern side of Bohai shipyard started construction in mid-2015. The construction became visible and clear by mid-2016.
Gigantic new facility
The gigantic nature of this facility was revealed when the assembly hall could be compared with Hall No. 42 of Russian Severodvinsk submarine construction facility.
The size of BSHIC Huludao hall is 285 m x 130 m with more than 40,000 sq m area.
The height is almost double the previous halls in that location. It has three bays with large overhead double girder magnet gantry cranes fitted it, which could easily shift/move submarine modules to and fro. The width of girders at the top of gantries is 9 m, suggesting they could lift very heavy loads.
There is another hall of 200 m x 170 m being constructed to the north of this assembly hall. This probably will produce modules for submarines. It has five bays, two of which are smaller than others. Both the halls have traverser rails in front for transfer of modules from one hall to the other.
Thus this new assembly hall could possibly construct six nuclear submarines at any given time. The hall not only provides the workers and equipment from harsh weather conditions of Huludao but also provides cover from the prying eyes of satellites that could learn about PLAN submarine progress.
Huludao Nuclear Submarine Assembly Hall | Source: Vinayak Bhat
New submarine revealed
A closer look while assessing this facility revealed some parts, possibly of a new submarine. The width of these parts is almost 16.5 m, suggesting the probable beam of the new submarine is more than 16.5 m. It is assessed that this new submarine which possibly is the new nuclear submarine of China’s PLAN Type 96 which is rumoured to have 24x Julang 3 or JL 3 ballistic missiles with an estimated range between 8,000 km to 12,000 km.
A 16.5 m beam with approximately 4 m of hump would easily accommodate every Dong Feng or DF missile in China’s nuclear ballistic missiles inventory.
Implications
It is assessed that the new submarine production facility constructed at Huludao will enhance the speed of the Chinese PLAN nuclear submarine production by at least six times. Any increase in China’s equipment profile would have an effect on India’s security scenario. This particular capability would increase China’s abilities to snoop on Indian naval activities in the Indian Ocean Region and the Arabian Sea.
China’s nuclear submarines have been visiting Karachi and Colombo. China has also been a supplier of submarines to Pakistan and Bangladesh. It will be interesting to watch if China would proliferate the new nuclear submarines to its favourite, Pakistan. The Julang 2 and 3 with 8,000 km or more range can cover the entire IOR with ease. The looming threat of Julang missiles will be omnipresent.
antiterror13
Brigadier
I don't think India is part of the equation of building Type 096. The only single variable is the USA ... nothing else, not even close
The whole India has long been covered even by DF-3A which already in service since 1971, and remember there are many other ICBM that can cover the whole India (i.e DF-21, DF-4, DF-31/A/AG, JL-2, etc). Why would China wasting time and money to worry about India by building Type 096
The only reason India is mentioned there because it was published by Indian newspaper ... I don't think any Chinese would consider India is a threat to China (in this context)
The whole India has long been covered even by DF-3A which already in service since 1971, and remember there are many other ICBM that can cover the whole India (i.e DF-21, DF-4, DF-31/A/AG, JL-2, etc). Why would China wasting time and money to worry about India by building Type 096
The only reason India is mentioned there because it was published by Indian newspaper ... I don't think any Chinese would consider India is a threat to China (in this context)
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Deleted member 13312
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I don't know where you read that, but that is patently untrue. The Virginia, like so many other SSNs, are designed to counter enemy submarines, among a platitude of other tasks
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But SSNs require air cover , intelligence gathering and so on.
And yet some how you don't think that nuclear missiles need the same levels of maintenance and support ? In fact, submarines are among the more independent of weapon platforms, this is especially true for SSNs. While there exist ASW systems to combat enemy submarines, it is still an established fact that the best way, and it still is, to destroy an enemy submarine it with your own submarine.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
good now they can pump 1-2 SSN an 1 x SSBN per year
PLAN needs far more work and numbers to begin the long journey of catching up to USN numbers and technology. It is no surprise new large facilities are being built. No such thing as being too late, but honestly subs are an area where China's got the most catching up to do. I'm just hoping they've invested in promising leapfrog technologies. Pump out some of these newest seawolf/ ohio class competitors (which are no longer latest in USN) but rimdrive and supercavitation technologies seem to be the next gen. Perhaps new production facilities are capable of manufacturing the replacements for 095 and 096 since these can be built elsewhere already.
antiterror13
Brigadier
I don't think PLAN objective is to match USN ... just not worth it, too expensive and wasteful
As long as no USN SSN can freely undetected within 1st island chain, thats the current PLAN objective, I think that objective is very close to be met
Not a lot of work if they decide to transfer the Yuan’s quieting tech to future SSNs.
Seems like an issue of will. Within Asia, cutting edge SSKs will always have permanent advantages over SSNs, while the latter has logistical advantages at long ranges and can carry larger payloads. The former is invalidated in Asia and the latter is invalidated if the submarine only has to hunt other submarines and enemy carriers, in which case the 20 odd torpedoes on a Yuan is more than enough.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Im sorry you cannot say SSK has advantage over SSN, you just can't
The most effective weapon against a hunter killer is a hunter killer