Plan Type 093/094 Nuclear Submarine Thread

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  1. gelgoog
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    The DF-31A supposedly has a range of 11270 km. I doubt this missile will have less range than that.
     
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    Yes, that seems to jive with the 12,000 - 14,000 km range I have in mind.

    This tool is interesting: https://www.mapdevelopers.com/draw-circle-tool.php

    12,000 km puts the entire western coast of the US in range from the South China Sea, while 14,000 km puts pretty much everything except Florida. I certainly hope the JL-3 is at the upper end of the range; in fact, if they could boost the range past 14,000 km that would be ideal.
     
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    Isn't 5t or so attributable to the ARSS (not really part of the missile proper, as it is discarded pretty much immediately upon leaving the water and has no counterpart on other missiles) on the R-39? Also, to be frank I was thinking more in terms of the RT-23UTTKh (which came in rail-mobile and silo-based versions that both weighed in excess of 100t) anyway, since the basic RT-23 was never operationally deployed.
     
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    DF-41 is 21m long and weighs 80 tons. That's longer than and in the same weight class as the Soviet R-39 missiles that required the enormous Typhoon-class submarines to carry them. It is therefore a poor benchmark against which to estimate JL-3 performance.

    DF-31 provides a much better basis for comparison, being 13m long and weighing around 40 tons -- the same figures as given for JL-2. The range figure cited for DF-31A of 11,000km (with a single warhead) therefore serves as the upper bound for plausible JL-3 range, assuming it is the same size as JL-2.

    Alternatively, JL-3 may be somewhat larger than JL-2, moving into the 50-ton class (like the French M51) or the 60-ton class (like the US/UK Trident II) and offering correspondingly greater performance. Such a missile would require a correspondingly larger launch platform, which would in turn require either a bespoke reactor solution or twin reactors. As such, the 09VI program may provide clues as to the size and likely performance characteristics of JL-3.
     
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    No I think 2016

    Maybe YouTube it

    Absolutely stunning
     
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    Isn't there a variant of JL-2 with a range of 12000 km?
     
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    Which do you think is likeliest, the 40, 50, or 60 ton class? @Bltizo did a splendid analysis of BHSIC's new yard here:
    https://thediplomat.com/2019/01/pondering-chinas-future-nuclear-submarine-production/

    It seems the hall was set up to build some pretty damn big SSBNs, so I don't think the Type 09-VI is getting shortchanged in the size department. This leads me to think that the 60 ton class is most likely, with a range of 12,000 - 14,000 km with 10+ MIRVs.
     
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    According to one well-known writer:
     
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    Regarding the length of ICBM vs SLBM, SLBM have to be shorter and a bit "fatter". Just look at imaged of Bulava, Trident-C/D, M51, etc.
     
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    I think we dont need to care too much about the range. If this new type of SLBM cant hit the western America from the south china sea it's meaningless. I am more interested in how many warheads it can take and whether it is a three stage rocket.
     
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