09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[taxiya]

One of the pictures @SinoSoldier posted was of a model with a skewback propeller. From what was visible above the water line, the model and the submarine look identical - so I conclude that they look identical under the water line.

the model and submarine may not be the same thing even they look identical, it is just a model.

Having a pump-jet is a necessary but not sufficient condition for a new class. Honestly, if this is the best China's submarine yards can come up with these days then the situation is deeply problematic.

sooner or later Chinese nuclear subs will be equipped with pump-jet or even rim-motor, but it is not relevant to what we see right now in the water, for that we are not able to tell with our own eyes.

 

[Interstellar]

Sorry for the late & abrupt reply to this post, but could the following boat actually be one of the true 09IIIB units? Its distinctive "hump" is unlike that of any other 09III submarines so far. There is also a model of the same boat supposedly from 719 Institute.

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As I have mentioned several times, none of the submarines we have seen so far is 09IIIB.

Finally, one last thought: could the newest 09IIIB be the same class as the 09V?

That's an interesting thought, but no.

 

[SinoSoldier]

That's an interesting thought, but no.

Thanks!

Final question: when can we expect the 09IIIB to be launched?

 

[Hyperwarp]

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Any idea why the 093A (the one displayed during the recent naval parade) has that slight hump?

Plus: How quiet is the 093A compared to the LA 688/688i or at least compared to the original 093?

 

[Tam]

Sorry for the late & abrupt reply to this post, but could the following boat actually be one of the true 09IIIB units? Its distinctive "hump" is unlike that of any other 09III submarines so far. There is also a model of the same boat supposedly from 719 Institute.

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Finally, one last thought: could the newest 09IIIB be the same class as the 09V?

Just my opinion, the hump here might be used to attach a submersible or mini-sub, the main submarine in question might be 09IIIT or 093T.

 

[by78]

One more from the recent naval review...

(2048 x 1536)

 

[asif iqbal]

Wow what a boomer

But China does not have the strategy of sea based continuous deterrent, as those satellite images suggest that 4 x SSBN were all in base at the same time

 

[gelgoog]

Wow what a boomer

But China does not have the strategy of sea based continuous deterrent, as those satellite images suggest that 4 x SSBN were all in base at the same time

Probably because they a) have noisy nuclear submarines b) they have too few submarines to chance it.
The Chinese have spent a considerable amount of resources on their surface fleet, this kind of leaves their boomers with less budget. Their strategy is different from the Soviet Union's strategy for most of its existence.

Still Chinese submarines will eventually improve and they will likely start by using the sea areas in the first island chain as some sort of bastion. Similar to what the Soviets initially did. Also with their most recent SLBMs the submarines got quite a reach even if they don't leave the Chinese coast.

 

[Insignius]

Nuclear missile submarine based deterrence is pointless as long as China cannot venture out into the Pacific without having to cross US-controled chokepoints of the 1st island chain.

A big SSBN fleet only makes sense when China manages to control Taiwan and deploys their boomers from Taiwan's east-coast naval bases into the open West Pacific.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Nuclear missile submarine based deterrence is pointless as long as China cannot venture out into the Pacific without having to cross US-controled chokepoints of the 1st island chain.

A big SSBN fleet only makes sense when China manages to control Taiwan and deploys their boomers from Taiwan's east-coast naval bases into the open West Pacific.

What really matters for a boomer is not how far they can range, but rather the range of their missiles. And it is not like China does not possess ICBMS that can hit the entirety of the globe from it's own home territory (The DF-41). The issue here is mating that missile to a submarine.
China can utilize the bastion strategy operated by the Soviet Union. They can deploy their own ASW forces near the choke points of the 1st island chain to create a safe "wadding pool" for their boomers to operate in. There are conjectures as to why China is pressing for control of the SCS, which is to turn it into a boomer bastion like the Sea of Okhotsk,