It is very easy to poke a hole in your argument to begin with Anshan is ex Soviet Gnevny-class destroyers purchased in the 1950s and design & built in Soviet Union so it shouldn't be even counted. We are arguing here about the progression rate and why using class, model as basis is illogical
Now Luda is the first indigenous destroyer that is built in China I believe it is Dalian and Zhong hua shipyard 16 were built Yes you can count that as a class by itself.3700 ton
Now LUHU,LUHAI, are experimental ship Luhu is technological demonstrator for point defense and never entered into production It is power by GE LM2500 and equipped with French Radar and battle management and some other western sensor. But it is hard to fuse the various sensor from different source into effective combat system. So they built Luhai with more domestic sensor and after TAM 89 China cannot get the the GT Lm2500 so they have to use steam turbine. But PLAN is not happy with the result only 1 is built. IN other word those ships are EXPERIMENTAL and never entered into mass production. So it cannot be given a class designation
Luyang1 is again experimental ship to validate the hull an d machinery for Luyang 2 and Luyang 3
Yes you can call it a class by itself because it entered into mass production and there is increase in tonnage and better sensor and armament but you have to group it with Luyang2, luyang3
So the correct class designation for Chinese DDG should be
LUDA
Luyang1,Luyang2, Lyuyang 3,
So 2 class vs 6 for us So using your reasoning it should be 3 times as fast as US development rate
The Anshan class is indeed purchased ex-Soviet destroyer class, but if you are trying to say that the PLAN learned nothing about destroyer design from this class, then there is nothing more that you even need to say at all in this thread. Similarly for the Luda, Luhu, Luhai, and Luyang I classes. Please note that NOBODY except you thinks they do not belong in their own classes. Both the USN and the PLAN itself gives all of these ships their own class designator. And it is well known that the PLAN knew that it was starting from a low tech base and therefore did not want to waste money and build a bunch of ships in each class that were already obsolete when the keel was laid. But they needed experience building bigger and more complex ships. You can see this increasing size and complexity being played out very obviously and yet slowly and cautiously as we progress from Luda (3,700 tons), to Luhu (4,800 tons, point defense missiles, combat data system), to Luhai (6,100 tons, early stealth shaping design), to Luyang I (6,500 tons, more stealth shaping, better missiles, better sensors), to Luyang II/III (7,000 tons, even better missiles and sensors). Each subsequent iteration is bigger, more capable, and incorporates lessons learned from the previous iterations.
So you can keep dreaming about the PLAN only having gone through 2 classes of ships to arrive at 052C/D if you really want to, but you are utterly alone in this humorously whacky claim.
Now you are playing smart here you .MIg 21 is built and design in Soviet it shouldn't be even counted here
J7 and J 8 belong to the same class different function one is fighter the other one is interceptor , J10 is a class by itself, So do J20. So 4 class
NOW here you cleverly omitted the US air force class designation like F100,F105. You dare not to list all of them I don't have time to do the research But I bet It won't support your argument
Yes because I'm sure PLAAF learned absolutely NOTHING from the Mig-21 just like they learned nothing from the Anshan class. Are you even reading your own verbiage??? Early J-7 is clearly gen2 being not much more than copies of the Mig-21, while late models of it could possibly be considered gen3, which is why I wrote J-7 out as "gen2/gen3" in my earlier post. Early J-8 is clearly no more than gen3, and yet late models (for example, J-8H and later versions) could be considered gen3.5, as could the JH-7A.
And why should I even need to mention the F-100 and F-105? They fit into the gen2 and gen3 fighter categories. I also didn't mention the Corsair, the Crusader, the Phantom, the Falcon, the Eagle, the Warthog, the Hornet, and a whole host of other US fighters. So I guess according to you I'm trying to hide like 10 or 15 generations of US fighter aircraft from the discussion. But you do understand that when it comes to fighters, many of them fall into the same generation designation, do you not? There are in fact only 5 established generations of aircraft which pretty much everybody applies to the world of aircraft designation. The PLAAF had to slog through every last generation of fighter development except the first one, because as I said they bought directly into gen2 courtesy of the Soviets. No skipping generations. Too bad for you and your argument.
Wrong he is talking about 4th generation submarine and 93B is consider 3th generation So he must talking about type 95,96
If that article was referring to the 095 technology being already finished by 2013, then where is the 095? Meanwhile we have already heard that several 093B were in late stages of construction by 2014 and 2015. And this year we finally see photos of the 093B at pierside. That article fits in perfectly with the timeline of the 093B. On the other hand, no mythical 095 for you, sorry. Not a peep from any BBS, no leaked photos, no nothing. Feel free to hold your breath, though, because I guess according to you 095 is coming out any minute. Also, while the 093B is the third generation of PLAN subs, it is also roughly the equivalent of 4th generation of world SSN technology, which is what this article is describing.
