071 LPD thread

Iron Man

Major
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Well I don't see you bringing up other sources on the Type 072 costs. So you don't have much in the way to complain on how I do research seeing you have none.
I don't have any sources on 072 costs. The problem is, neither do you, and yet you are the one making claims that Zubr is cheaper than 072. So where did you get your stones from?

And I am not denying that the Type 072 can carry more cargo then the Zubr, but I have emphasized that the Zubr has other advantages over the Type 072. A single Zubr can make 2 round trips in the time frame that the Type 072 can make one.
Another unsubstantiated claim that at the same time totally fails to acknowledge the transportation deficit that currently besets the PLAN as well as fails to recognize the different niches that the Zubr and the 072 occupy.

Moreover, I don't have to subscribe to your nonsensical nonsense on how what I post must concur with your purid and infantile notional of acceptance. If you or any of your ilk don't want to accept it that's fine.
What does purid mean? Is that some 6th grade way of spelling puerile? Or putrid maybe? LOL :)

And I did not say that the Zubr would necessarily cost less due to it being smaller, but the amount of labour and materials required for its construction would assuredly be less then the Type 072, or do you have a reading comprehension? And it is not like the Type 072 is unarmed, the latest vessels also have FCR, guns and the capacity to lay mines as so required (mines are not restricted to the Zubrs only). And if the Type 072 is actually lacking such critical defense systems, it would only make the Zubr even more potent over it (as it would be nothing more than a troop carry tub ripe for the picking).
First, clearly your implication was that the Zubr would cost less because it's smaller, obviously by way of lesser materials and labor. If not that then what in the world else would ever cause a Zubr to be cheaper than a 072? It's sad that you can't man up to your own words here. You obviously never even thought of the possibility that the significant advantage in weapons, defenses, and sensors the Zubr enjoys might possibly result in its price being higher than the 072, just like the diminutive 054A costs over 2.5x more than giant container ships. Second, we are not talking about the potency of the Zubr vs the 072 here, we are talking about the COST of the Zubr vs the 072. Yes, if you spend millions more on gadgets you get more potency. Shocker. Who cares? Your claim is that the Zubr is cheaper than the 072, but you have nothing but a demonstrably incorrect gaming website (LOL) to back you up.

As for you claim on the Type 072 serving out the end of their useful service, at least we have that in agreement. Seeing that most of the variants are at least 15-20 years old with the possibility of the PLAN eeking out another 10-15 years worth from them. My original post for the Type 071 over the Type 072 was always based on the PLAN bringing in sufficient numbers of Type 071s, something that won't happen until the next decade or so at least.
Uh no, we definitely DON'T have that in agreement, unless you've moved your goalposts yet again. Your original claim was that "once the Type 071s get build in sufficient numbers, I think that it is highly likely that the PLAN will seek to decommission its LSTs." As in retire them early, BEFORE the end of their useful lives. Your subsequent statements claiming that the PLAN will have to make hard choices between simultaneously maintaining 071s and 072s because they don't have a bottomless pit of money clearly indicate what you are thinking here. If your original claim was trying to imply nothing more than "072s will serve out their useful lives and then retire", everybody would have said "duh" and immediately moved on from such a self-evident statement. That is clearly NOT what you were claiming. It looks like you did indeed do some moving, eh?
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I would like too see all 6 at port at one time

Off course they are not home-ported together but it would be some photo opp

Add to that 3 x Type 901 tankers
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
5, and 6 ...
From Henri K blog
Need to restart the production of LST The present inventory of 30 LST is not enough for Taiwan contingency
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Type 71 is not the only troop transport More and more troop and armour transport depend on Roro ship like this one below. Now that they must comply with new military standard. That is assuming that they can secure a harbor in future amphibious operation

軍用基準で建造されたRORO船「長達隆」の構造図

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Well PLAN job will be to established channel open for PLA units, RORO are not amphibious vessels

PLA job will be to take Taiwan along with second artillery corps not PLAN

PLA could call on over a dozen RORO from Bohai fleet

State owed CSC over 30 ships

And half dozen ocean going vessels

Plus another 10 under construction

That’s over 50 x RORO vessels

Overall these RORO could lift over 10,000 vehicles and 200,000+ troops
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Large marine exercise involving 10000 marine the first
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PLA Marine Corps conducts massive groundbreaking maneuvers
By Guo Yuandan Source:Global Times Published: 2018/3/15 23:08:40
10,000 troops travel cross-country via air, water, rail & motor transport

In the largest exercise of its kind, more than 10,000 troops traveled more than 2,000 kilometers to arrive on Monday at two army training bases in Southwest China's Yunnan Province and East China's Shandong Province and begin battle training, China Central Television show Military Report reported.

The largest ever trans-regional training of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy Marine Corps combined diverse modes of transport including air, water, railway and motor, the report said.

The process of multi-dimensional delivery of troops and long-distance arrival was accompanied by battle exercises.

The marine officers and soldiers will next carry out training in subtropical mountainous jungle areas in more than 30 specialties including combat, attack and defense, hiding and searching.

This massive military maneuvers proved the marine corps is striving to improve combat capability, according to a military expert who asked to remain anonymous.

Marines are frontline troops that seize beachheads in war time, and work as a rapid reaction force in peacetime ready to deal with emergencies, the anonymous expert said.

In 2016, the Marine Corps of the People's Liberation Army Navy conducted its first live-fire drills in the
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Uyghur Autonomous Region, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

Unlike previous marine corps training that involved a few thousand personnel and hundreds of vehicles, this training involved over 10,000 that amounted to a significant upgrade in the military structure and organization of the troops.

China plans to expand its marine corps from 20,000 to 100,000 to better protect the country's rising overseas commitments, the South China Morning Post reported in March last year.

Some marines will be assigned overseas including Djibouti and Gwadar Port of Pakistan, the Hong Kong-based newspaper reported.

The information bureau of China's
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said afterwards that the expansion of the PLA Navy's Marine Corps relates to the reform of the Chinese military, which is being steadily implemented.

The corps is also acting as guarding troops in Djibouti, according to the CCTV report.

"Performing tasks outside the country can greatly enhance the marines' combat capability such as emergency and rapid response skills," the expert said.

Performing guarding tasks overseas demands marines with higher capabilities, the expert noted, as vigilance and combat-readiness are closer to real combats.
 

Dfangsaur

Junior Member
Registered Member
Well PLAN job will be to established channel open for PLA units, RORO are not amphibious vessels

PLA job will be to take Taiwan along with second artillery corps not PLAN

PLA could call on over a dozen RORO from Bohai fleet

State owed CSC over 30 ships

And half dozen ocean going vessels

Plus another 10 under construction

That’s over 50 x RORO vessels

Overall these RORO could lift over 10,000 vehicles and 200,000+ troops

Are roro ships more susceptible to submarine attacks than LPDs? US submarine fleets are still extremely scary in a Taiwan strait crisis scenario even with air superiority on Chinese side.
 

Tam

Brigadier
Registered Member
Are roro ships more susceptible to submarine attacks than LPDs? US submarine fleets are still extremely scary in a Taiwan strait crisis scenario even with air superiority on Chinese side.

There is a big risk you may end up sinking all sorts of non combatant ships --- even non Chinese ones --- as well as ferries and passenger ships. You can even end up sinking Taiwanese ships.

The Straits and areas all around it are going to be full of Chinese submarines and ASW forces, and that heavy investment in having plenty of Type 054As and 056s gets to see its justification.
 
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