Hendrik_2000
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Why you think so Type 56 is good for patrolling the EEZ zone and watch for the submarine in EEZ . Well anyone attack 56 it will be the tripwire for war!
On formation they can act as picket
056 class FFL/corvette
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Why you think so Type 56 is good for patrolling the EEZ zone and watch for the submarine in EEZ . Well anyone attack 56 it will be the tripwire for war!
On formation they can act as picket
Holy cow, they'll be facing Arleigh Burke and at least Takanami class vessels. A 'picket'...
lol, you named it.
Hendrik_2000
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And they will be facing Type 55 and type 52D take your pick EEZ is within ground based J10 and J11, H6K,YJ 18 Yj 83 so they will make mince meat out of takanami
Yeah, the PLAN will send a 056 to face off against a Burke. Definitely. That will definitely happen. I don't see how they could possibly think that a bad idea.
Fantastic thinking as always, Janiz. You are truly an exemplary member of your nation.
By the time that happens, China has already lost the war. I don't see SDF builds all Atago
Hendrik_2000
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Talking is cheap try it see what will happened
Navies request the ships they need, built to a design that fits their war fighting philosophy
Politics and Economics places constraints on the fulfilment of those requests and designs
The Type 056 represents the PLAN's view of an affordable light frigate
Hypothetically, if 30 Type 056s met 30 Burkes, all 30 056s were sunk and 10 ABs were damaged that would be a tactical defeat but a strategic victory.
Of course in the fantasy world some would argue no Burkes could ever be damaged because of superior USN seamanship and the mythic forcefield like properties of the star spangled banner, in the real world, however, this is somewhat debunked by the rather large holes in the sides of the Fitzgerald and John S McCain!
For those who can't comprehend tactical defeat and strategic victory perhaps yelps of of ignorance should be left off the table
How do you think a growing Navy should train their officers for command and provide experience for the ratings?
Winning Wars is not about who's got the fanciest or biggest toys but how they are deployed and used.
At the evacuation of Crete, when told that the navy would lose too many ships Admiral Cunningham replied "It takes the Navy three years to build a ship. It will take three hundred years to build a new tradition. The evacuation will continue".
In wars there are consequences, people die, difficult decisions have to be made, It's not some X-box game, send out XYZ ship that will vaporise the opposition!
Real world naval actions do not support the notion that smaller vessels are useless and every navy should dispense with them and build bigger and badder ships.
If it did then after the Bismark sunk the Hood the Kriegsmarine should have decimated the Royal Navy instead a bunch of "inferior" ships tracked and sunk it.
Likewise the destroyers and cruisers that attacked the Scharnhorst should have stayed in port and left things to the Duke of York because the Scharnhorst was much bigger than any of the destroyers and cruisers and would have just sunk them all killing everyone.
If it's just down to my ship is better than your ship then Nelson would not have prevailed at Trafalgar because the combined French/Spanish fleet had both the numbers (41 vs 33) and size of vessel (The Santísima Trinidad was 50% bigger and carried 30% more guns than The Victory) on their side.
In fact when the shooting starts it's almost always the opposite, large numbers of smaller "inferior" vessels are produced rather than big show boats!
So stop with the "point scoring", meaningless comparisons and playing arm chair admiral, if I need my fix of click bait partisan clap trap I'll go read the nationalinterest.org, not here
Politics and Economics places constraints on the fulfilment of those requests and designs
The Type 056 represents the PLAN's view of an affordable light frigate
Hypothetically, if 30 Type 056s met 30 Burkes, all 30 056s were sunk and 10 ABs were damaged that would be a tactical defeat but a strategic victory.
Of course in the fantasy world some would argue no Burkes could ever be damaged because of superior USN seamanship and the mythic forcefield like properties of the star spangled banner, in the real world, however, this is somewhat debunked by the rather large holes in the sides of the Fitzgerald and John S McCain!
For those who can't comprehend tactical defeat and strategic victory perhaps yelps of of ignorance should be left off the table
How do you think a growing Navy should train their officers for command and provide experience for the ratings?
- Give them each a big destroyer and bankrupt the navy
- Leave them all on shore to train in a "stone frigate"
- Have a vessel that you can produce in numbers take out to sea perform a useful function without breaking the bank
Winning Wars is not about who's got the fanciest or biggest toys but how they are deployed and used.
At the evacuation of Crete, when told that the navy would lose too many ships Admiral Cunningham replied "It takes the Navy three years to build a ship. It will take three hundred years to build a new tradition. The evacuation will continue".
In wars there are consequences, people die, difficult decisions have to be made, It's not some X-box game, send out XYZ ship that will vaporise the opposition!
Real world naval actions do not support the notion that smaller vessels are useless and every navy should dispense with them and build bigger and badder ships.
If it did then after the Bismark sunk the Hood the Kriegsmarine should have decimated the Royal Navy instead a bunch of "inferior" ships tracked and sunk it.
Likewise the destroyers and cruisers that attacked the Scharnhorst should have stayed in port and left things to the Duke of York because the Scharnhorst was much bigger than any of the destroyers and cruisers and would have just sunk them all killing everyone.
If it's just down to my ship is better than your ship then Nelson would not have prevailed at Trafalgar because the combined French/Spanish fleet had both the numbers (41 vs 33) and size of vessel (The Santísima Trinidad was 50% bigger and carried 30% more guns than The Victory) on their side.
In fact when the shooting starts it's almost always the opposite, large numbers of smaller "inferior" vessels are produced rather than big show boats!
So stop with the "point scoring", meaningless comparisons and playing arm chair admiral, if I need my fix of click bait partisan clap trap I'll go read the nationalinterest.org, not here
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You know the PLAN have something for those kind of situation right ? It's called the Type 52D and the Type 055 with a serving of YJ-18s............. If you want this to devolved into a d*** measuring contest then the right measures should apply.
As for the Type 56A while personally I feel that it could use some upgrades along the way due to the fact that it is somewhat long in the tooth in terms of tech applied, mainly self-defense and scanner suites. Facts stand that as it is quite capable of dealing with what it is designed mainly for, which is sub hunting. And that for the same price a fleet of Type 56A can cover a wider area then what a single Burke or Japanese destroyer can hope to do.
Corvettes aren't going to go away from the modern navy roster anytime soon. Why do you think that the US is so keen on getting the LCS or at least some derivatives of it ?
@FORBIN and @antiterror13 and others ... I have to admit I'm slowly loosing my patience !! 
Can you guys act like men or are you three years old kids in the Kindergarten???
Leave out politics and personnel attacks - BOTH - and please remind you all and beg you to stay realistic: this is a forum, with very different members, opinions and language issues.
Again ... if one thinks the tone here is too anti-Western, anti-French or anti-Chinese (we moderators get complaints in both directions) whatever, then you need to leave.
I would regret this, but calm down and please do NOT rate each and every critical post as an insult.
And even more please give us moderators some time to do our job: We all - and for me as an example - I'm working hard for the living, I have a job and a family and for my health I do not rate each and every post I don't like as an insult or trolling.
And by the way I'm moderator in four forums at all. So re-reporting a certain post right after a few hours or even 1-2 days, calling the moderators or even worst suggesting we moderators would tolerate these anti-whatever posts won't make it better.
Deino
Can you guys act like men or are you three years old kids in the Kindergarten???
Leave out politics and personnel attacks - BOTH - and please remind you all and beg you to stay realistic: this is a forum, with very different members, opinions and language issues.
Again ... if one thinks the tone here is too anti-Western, anti-French or anti-Chinese (we moderators get complaints in both directions) whatever, then you need to leave.
I would regret this, but calm down and please do NOT rate each and every critical post as an insult.
And even more please give us moderators some time to do our job: We all - and for me as an example - I'm working hard for the living, I have a job and a family and for my health I do not rate each and every post I don't like as an insult or trolling.
And by the way I'm moderator in four forums at all. So re-reporting a certain post right after a few hours or even 1-2 days, calling the moderators or even worst suggesting we moderators would tolerate these anti-whatever posts won't make it better.
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Your moderation is injust for me I don't have started he harass me since a while and facts are and you know perfectly it is the true he can't stand Western again here@FORBIN and @antiterror13 and others ... I have to admit I'm slowly loosing my patience !!
Can you guys act like men or are you three years old kids in the Kindergarten???
Leave out politics and personnel attacks - BOTH - and please remind you all and beg you to stay realistic: this is a forum, with very different members, opinions and language issues.
Again ... if one thinks the tone here is too anti-Western, anti-French or anti-Chinese (we moderators get complaints in both directions) whatever, then you need to leave.
I would regret this, but calm down and please do NOT rate each and every critical post as an insult.
And even more please give us moderators some time to do our job: We all - and for me as an example - I'm working hard for the living, I have a job and a family and for my health I do not rate each and every post I don't like as an insult or trolling.
And by the way I'm moderator in four forums at all. So re-reporting a certain post right after a few hours or even 1-2 days, calling the moderators or even worst suggesting we moderators would tolerate these anti-whatever posts won't make it better.
Deino
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