Going from 1,500 to 3,000 tons is somewhat of a stretch if we are talking about a 056 follow-on class. I don't doubt that a Greyashchiy could load a VLS, while I do doubt that a "056B" or a PLAN corvette designed for a similar mission could or would.
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I think we can envision a range of possible futures for 056 and PLAN light surface combatants. From least to most expansive with my own assessment of probability:
A <5%) PLAN returns to building smaller combatants (<1000 tons)
B 15%) 056 production continues into 2020s with minor refinements (new generation sensors, etc.)
C 30%) ~2000-ton 056 derivative or clean-sheet design with moderate expansion of capability (e.g. a hanger, greater endurance).
D 30%) 2500-3000-ton clean-sheet design with VLS, possible GT propulsion
E 20%) 056 production ends and 054B becomes PLAN's lightest combatant in production
The concept you seem to be thinking of is C, which I agree is a plausible possible future. The concept I have outlined is D, and is most plausible in a future in which the 054 series is succeeded by a larger frigate in the ~5500-6000 ton range.
A <5%) PLAN returns to building smaller combatants (<1000 tons)
B 15%) 056 production continues into 2020s with minor refinements (new generation sensors, etc.)
C 30%) ~2000-ton 056 derivative or clean-sheet design with moderate expansion of capability (e.g. a hanger, greater endurance).
D 30%) 2500-3000-ton clean-sheet design with VLS, possible GT propulsion
E 20%) 056 production ends and 054B becomes PLAN's lightest combatant in production
The concept you seem to be thinking of is C, which I agree is a plausible possible future. The concept I have outlined is D, and is most plausible in a future in which the 054 series is succeeded by a larger frigate in the ~5500-6000 ton range.
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I think even in the face of a 5,500-6,000t "054B" or whatever new FFG, a 2,000t "056B" is more than adequate to cover ASW in the littorals, given all you really need is an organic helicopter, a VDS, and a TAS, which this theoretical 056B would have. Even if you want to beef up AAW to 16 HHQ-10s and ASuW to 8 slant launchers, you could easily have both and still make a 2,000t displacement, given that these missiles all weigh significantly less than a ton each.
Hendrik_2000
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Well this is not exactly Chinese ASW but I believe within short time this capability should be available to China too. Now that they start testing an producing UAH. It would be great if they can extend and enlarge the Type 56 torpedo room and add control module for the UAH
The Navy's helicopter-like Fire Scout drone can now operate an advanced sensor giving it increased ability to detect and destroy enemy mines and submarines from a Littoral Combat Ship, service officials said.
The new sensor, designed for combat and surveillance missions in littoral waters, is called the Coastal Battlefield Reconnaissance and Analysis, or COBRA. The technology has formally achieved Initial Operational Capabililty.
COBRA reached operational status after completing Initial Operational Test and Evaluation on the MQ-8B. COBRA’s primary function is detecting mines and submarines while keeping the LCS and its crew at a safe distance.
Given that the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship is engineered to use its shallow draft, speed and maneuverability to conduct combat operations in littoral waters near enemy coastlines, having an improved technological capacity to find and detect enemy mines and submarines near the surface expands its mission envelope and provides needed protection for offensive ship operations.
“COBRA represents a real step forward for tactical reconnaissance of beach areas,” Melissa Kirkendall, mine warfare programs, said in a written statement from Naval Sea Systems Command. “With COBRA, the Navy/Marine Corps team can quickly look at a possible landing zone and detect mines and obstacles that would inhibit landing force mobility during an assault.”
Previously, such reconnaissance was only possible by putting Sailors or Marines on the beach in advance of a landing, exposing them to casualties and revealing an intended landing zone, the service statement said.
Having a small helicopter detachment able to launch and land off the back of the LCS is a key part of the Navy's emerging strategy for surface warfare, countermine warfare and anti-submarine warfare.
The Navy's helicopter-like Fire Scout drone can now operate an advanced sensor giving it increased ability to detect and destroy enemy mines and submarines from a Littoral Combat Ship, service officials said.
The new sensor, designed for combat and surveillance missions in littoral waters, is called the Coastal Battlefield Reconnaissance and Analysis, or COBRA. The technology has formally achieved Initial Operational Capabililty.
COBRA reached operational status after completing Initial Operational Test and Evaluation on the MQ-8B. COBRA’s primary function is detecting mines and submarines while keeping the LCS and its crew at a safe distance.
Given that the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship is engineered to use its shallow draft, speed and maneuverability to conduct combat operations in littoral waters near enemy coastlines, having an improved technological capacity to find and detect enemy mines and submarines near the surface expands its mission envelope and provides needed protection for offensive ship operations.
“COBRA represents a real step forward for tactical reconnaissance of beach areas,” Melissa Kirkendall, mine warfare programs, said in a written statement from Naval Sea Systems Command. “With COBRA, the Navy/Marine Corps team can quickly look at a possible landing zone and detect mines and obstacles that would inhibit landing force mobility during an assault.”
Previously, such reconnaissance was only possible by putting Sailors or Marines on the beach in advance of a landing, exposing them to casualties and revealing an intended landing zone, the service statement said.
Having a small helicopter detachment able to launch and land off the back of the LCS is a key part of the Navy's emerging strategy for surface warfare, countermine warfare and anti-submarine warfare.
The Navy has been working closely with Northrop Grumman to integrate a maritime radar onto the platform to provide increased situational awareness for surface combatant ships, service developers told Warrior.
The Fire Scout is engineered to work in tandem with MH-60R helicopters to identify and destroy targets as part of a maritime strike squadron.
The helicopter and unmanned aircraft system, working with one another, are designed to extend the range of the shallow-water LCS. They provide ISR, targeting and threat-detection technologies miles away from the ship and its crew, using a data link to send information back to a control station on-board the ship.The Fire Scout’s flat-panel electronically scanned array radars ad Link 16 network integration.
The helicopter squadron provides a persistent over-watch for shipping traffic, threats and other potential targets. The MH-60 provides initial surveillance and situational awareness. Once something of concern it discovered, the Fire Scout can provide persistent surveillance capability to the ship and to the squadron, service developers explained.
Various training exercises have consisted of launches, recoveries, mock firefighting scenarios and visit board search and seizure operations.
The 31-foot long Fire Scout can fly at airspeeds up to 110 knots and reach altitudes of 20,000 feet; the aircraft weighs 3,150 pounds at its maximum take-off weight and is powered by one Rolls-Royce heavy fuel turboshaft engine, Navy officials said.
The Fire Scout has an electro-optical/ infrared sensor called Bright Star 2, which has laser range-finding and laser designation, Navy developers said.
The MQ-8B Fire Scout can stay up on a mission for up to five hours and also uses Automatic Identification System, or AIS, technology to help locate and identify ships.
The Navy currently has more than 20 MQ-8B Fire Scouts in the inventory, service officials said.
Also, in recent years, the Navy has armed the Fire Scout with laser-guided precision rockets as part of an assessment for future integration. The weapons tested on the Fire Scout laser-guided 2.75 inch, folding-fin rockets called Advanced Kill Precision Weapons System, or APKWS.
Using laser guidance to paint and pinpoint targets for the Fire Scout, APKWS was able to conduct successful land-based test firings, Navy weapons and drone developers said.
Fire Scout radar
On 30 December 2012, the Navy issued an urgent order to install RDR-1700 maritime surveillance radars on nine MQ-8Bs. The RDR-1700 is an housed in a modified radome mounted on the helicopter's underside for 360-degree coverage, interfaced with the UAV and its control station. Detailed range is out to 25 km (16 mi), with a max range of 80 km (50 mi). The RDR-1700 can see through clouds and sandstorms and can perform terrain mapping or weather detection, and track 20 air or surface targets, determining a target's range, bearing, and velocity. In January 2013, the Navy awarded a $33 million contract to for the RDR-1700B+ radar, designated AN/ZPY-4(V)1. The radar gives a beyond the horizon broad area search and track capability to track up to 200 targets and operates in surface search, terrain mapping, emergency beacon detection, and weather avoidance modes, supplementing the FLIR Systems Brite Star II electro-optical/infrared payload. It was first demonstrated on an MQ-8B on 7 May 2014.
The Navy's helicopter-like Fire Scout drone can now operate an advanced sensor giving it increased ability to detect and destroy enemy mines and submarines from a Littoral Combat Ship, service officials said.
The new sensor, designed for combat and surveillance missions in littoral waters, is called the Coastal Battlefield Reconnaissance and Analysis, or COBRA. The technology has formally achieved Initial Operational Capabililty.
COBRA reached operational status after completing Initial Operational Test and Evaluation on the MQ-8B. COBRA’s primary function is detecting mines and submarines while keeping the LCS and its crew at a safe distance.
Given that the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship is engineered to use its shallow draft, speed and maneuverability to conduct combat operations in littoral waters near enemy coastlines, having an improved technological capacity to find and detect enemy mines and submarines near the surface expands its mission envelope and provides needed protection for offensive ship operations.
“COBRA represents a real step forward for tactical reconnaissance of beach areas,” Melissa Kirkendall, mine warfare programs, said in a written statement from Naval Sea Systems Command. “With COBRA, the Navy/Marine Corps team can quickly look at a possible landing zone and detect mines and obstacles that would inhibit landing force mobility during an assault.”
Previously, such reconnaissance was only possible by putting Sailors or Marines on the beach in advance of a landing, exposing them to casualties and revealing an intended landing zone, the service statement said.
Having a small helicopter detachment able to launch and land off the back of the LCS is a key part of the Navy's emerging strategy for surface warfare, countermine warfare and anti-submarine warfare.
The Navy's helicopter-like Fire Scout drone can now operate an advanced sensor giving it increased ability to detect and destroy enemy mines and submarines from a Littoral Combat Ship, service officials said.
The new sensor, designed for combat and surveillance missions in littoral waters, is called the Coastal Battlefield Reconnaissance and Analysis, or COBRA. The technology has formally achieved Initial Operational Capabililty.
COBRA reached operational status after completing Initial Operational Test and Evaluation on the MQ-8B. COBRA’s primary function is detecting mines and submarines while keeping the LCS and its crew at a safe distance.
Given that the Navy's Littoral Combat Ship is engineered to use its shallow draft, speed and maneuverability to conduct combat operations in littoral waters near enemy coastlines, having an improved technological capacity to find and detect enemy mines and submarines near the surface expands its mission envelope and provides needed protection for offensive ship operations.
“COBRA represents a real step forward for tactical reconnaissance of beach areas,” Melissa Kirkendall, mine warfare programs, said in a written statement from Naval Sea Systems Command. “With COBRA, the Navy/Marine Corps team can quickly look at a possible landing zone and detect mines and obstacles that would inhibit landing force mobility during an assault.”
Previously, such reconnaissance was only possible by putting Sailors or Marines on the beach in advance of a landing, exposing them to casualties and revealing an intended landing zone, the service statement said.
Having a small helicopter detachment able to launch and land off the back of the LCS is a key part of the Navy's emerging strategy for surface warfare, countermine warfare and anti-submarine warfare.
The Navy has been working closely with Northrop Grumman to integrate a maritime radar onto the platform to provide increased situational awareness for surface combatant ships, service developers told Warrior.
The Fire Scout is engineered to work in tandem with MH-60R helicopters to identify and destroy targets as part of a maritime strike squadron.
The helicopter and unmanned aircraft system, working with one another, are designed to extend the range of the shallow-water LCS. They provide ISR, targeting and threat-detection technologies miles away from the ship and its crew, using a data link to send information back to a control station on-board the ship.The Fire Scout’s flat-panel electronically scanned array radars ad Link 16 network integration.
The helicopter squadron provides a persistent over-watch for shipping traffic, threats and other potential targets. The MH-60 provides initial surveillance and situational awareness. Once something of concern it discovered, the Fire Scout can provide persistent surveillance capability to the ship and to the squadron, service developers explained.
Various training exercises have consisted of launches, recoveries, mock firefighting scenarios and visit board search and seizure operations.
The 31-foot long Fire Scout can fly at airspeeds up to 110 knots and reach altitudes of 20,000 feet; the aircraft weighs 3,150 pounds at its maximum take-off weight and is powered by one Rolls-Royce heavy fuel turboshaft engine, Navy officials said.
The Fire Scout has an electro-optical/ infrared sensor called Bright Star 2, which has laser range-finding and laser designation, Navy developers said.
The MQ-8B Fire Scout can stay up on a mission for up to five hours and also uses Automatic Identification System, or AIS, technology to help locate and identify ships.
The Navy currently has more than 20 MQ-8B Fire Scouts in the inventory, service officials said.
Also, in recent years, the Navy has armed the Fire Scout with laser-guided precision rockets as part of an assessment for future integration. The weapons tested on the Fire Scout laser-guided 2.75 inch, folding-fin rockets called Advanced Kill Precision Weapons System, or APKWS.
Using laser guidance to paint and pinpoint targets for the Fire Scout, APKWS was able to conduct successful land-based test firings, Navy weapons and drone developers said.
Fire Scout radar
On 30 December 2012, the Navy issued an urgent order to install RDR-1700 maritime surveillance radars on nine MQ-8Bs. The RDR-1700 is an housed in a modified radome mounted on the helicopter's underside for 360-degree coverage, interfaced with the UAV and its control station. Detailed range is out to 25 km (16 mi), with a max range of 80 km (50 mi). The RDR-1700 can see through clouds and sandstorms and can perform terrain mapping or weather detection, and track 20 air or surface targets, determining a target's range, bearing, and velocity. In January 2013, the Navy awarded a $33 million contract to for the RDR-1700B+ radar, designated AN/ZPY-4(V)1. The radar gives a beyond the horizon broad area search and track capability to track up to 200 targets and operates in surface search, terrain mapping, emergency beacon detection, and weather avoidance modes, supplementing the FLIR Systems Brite Star II electro-optical/infrared payload. It was first demonstrated on an MQ-8B on 7 May 2014.
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