056 class FFL/corvette

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by78

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Maybe 2 more next to number 8, and 10. Total numbers should be 10-12 consoles to me.

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This photo only shows two sides of presumably a roughly rectangular-shaped CIC. We don't know if there are other consoles tucked away outside camera view. There could well be another row of consoles behind the second row, against the far wall, that extends from bulkhead to bulkhead in the same manner as the first row.
 

joshuatree

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mmm, don't really see why. Recall that the Type 056 is itself based on an older export-oriented design. In terms of technology, operational requirements, and budgetary constraints I see 056 as of a kind with 054 and 052C/D, rather than a long-term, 21st century solution as with 055 & 057.

As China's blue water capabilities, requirements, and taskings continue to increase, it will want a larger and more capable -- yet still affordable -- low-end unit to take over littoral taskings. My general concept is of a smaller LCS-type vessel in the range of 2000-2500 tons, without the range and 40kn+ speed requirement of those vessels. As well as improved range, endurance, and seakeeping qualities, major improvements over the existing 056 would be a full hanger facility to house 1x ASW helicopter, and modest increase in VLS cells, principally to house medium-range anti-submarine munitions such as CY-5. If possible, top speed would be increased to 30-32kn, also mostly to improve performance in the anti-submarine role.

I'm going to respond under this thread since it's about the 056.

I don't see anything wrong with using a hull design derived from an export-oriented design. A good design is a good design regardless of origin. The 056 was designed to be a littoral workhorse and the technology is mature and tested. That's what makes them affordable and avoids mission creep. If up to 60 units will be built, I don't see any need for a littoral replacement for quite a long time. Incremental improvements could be done to subsequent builds. For instance, a slightly stretched hull can provide a hangar for a larger drone. More automation to reduce crew size can enhance overall endurance. Electric propulsion could potentially enhance top speed. It's shallow draft is what enables it to perform well in the littorals, not sure what you mean by "LCS-type" and the need for more tonnage. Unlike the USN, there's no requirement here to deploy littoral warships half a world away thus needing it to have endurance and seakeeping qualities to sail across the ocean first to get to its post. What additional benefit will there be in putting a modest VLS system on a littoral vessel? If the extra tonnage is required so a hull can be large enough to handle a VLS system, haven't we moved away from the affordable parameter and increased the draft which makes them less capable of sailing in the littorals?
 

Lethe

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The capabilities are what is important, not the design per se. If you can deliver on future requirements with an evolved 056, well and good. I suspect it isn't that simple. For instance, one of the key benefits of electric propulsion is that it allows for more flexible machinery layout, and yet by retrofitting an existing design you're not going to benefit from that.

Of course knowing China they will run a dual track program with 056i (or whatever you want to call it) as a backup against problems with a next-generation light combatant.
 
I'm going to respond under this thread since it's about the 056.

I don't see anything wrong with using a hull design derived from an export-oriented design. A good design is a good design regardless of origin. The 056 was designed to be a littoral workhorse and the technology is mature and tested. That's what makes them affordable and avoids mission creep. If up to 60 units will be built, I don't see any need for a littoral replacement for quite a long time. Incremental improvements could be done to subsequent builds. For instance, a slightly stretched hull can provide a hangar for a larger drone. More automation to reduce crew size can enhance overall endurance. Electric propulsion could potentially enhance top speed. It's shallow draft is what enables it to perform well in the littorals, not sure what you mean by "LCS-type" and the need for more tonnage. Unlike the USN, there's no requirement here to deploy littoral warships half a world away thus needing it to have endurance and seakeeping qualities to sail across the ocean first to get to its post. What additional benefit will there be in putting a modest VLS system on a littoral vessel? If the extra tonnage is required so a hull can be large enough to handle a VLS system, haven't we moved away from the affordable parameter and increased the draft which makes them less capable of sailing in the littorals?

All of this is fine for the 056 and an OPV but not so much for a sub hunter potentially going against the world's best subs or as a wartime combatant. My thinking is similar to Lethe's in terms of ship type, by LCS type I think he meant a stealthy hull, perhaps a trimaran and water jet propulsion, please correct me if I am wrong Lethe. I see a PLAN LCS type as not just a potential upgrade from the 056 but also possibly an upgrade from the 054 series or new capability in between and augmenting both classes. It would be a design departure from the PLAN norm but then the Type 022 was also.
 

steve_rolfe

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Another month, another 056 Corvette is commissioned into the Chinese Navy.

This time its boat No FFG 504 “Suqian” inducted on the 20.07.2015

I dont know if this is the 21st or 22nd 056 made active...........its unfortunate that someone recently went to the 056 page on 'wiki' and for some misguided reason decided to re-tabulate the data on the 056 corvette, unfortunately they made a hash of it, and lost a lot of valuable data, which is now missing!

Does anyone here have a full table of the build construction of the 056 Corvette?

Anyway, please find below the image of said commissioning which i found on another forum.
btw: i've noticed recently that a large percentage of images posted here on 'Sinodefence' are copied from a Chinese member on 'PDF' ;););).

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Tyloe

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I dont know if this is the 21st or 22nd 056 made active...........its unfortunate that someone recently went to the 056 page on 'wiki' and for some misguided reason decided to re-tabulate the data on the 056 corvette, unfortunately they made a hash of it, and lost a lot of valuable data, which is now missing!
I won't call him out but he's being 'editing', (more like hacking up) other PLAN wiki pages as well. Really annoying with what was done to the articles related to PLAN surface ships, but then again wiki was never immune to their usual edit wars.
 

steve_rolfe

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I won't call him out but he's being 'editing', (more like hacking up) other PLAN wiki pages as well. Really annoying with what was done to the articles related to PLAN surface ships, but then again wiki was never immune to their usual edit wars.

Well.......at last the 056 Corvette page at 'WIKI' has been corrected, with a new table for the building schedule of this class of warship. There are now details of 22 commissioned ships for the Chinese Navy.

Either the original hacker grew a conscious and decided to correct the error of their ways.....or another kind soul, re-tabulated the information.

Anyway its good for all internet users, who have an interest in the Chinese Navy, to at least have a pretty accurate database to view now.:)

For reference, there is a revision page on wiki, where you can view past history pages of a subject, and get the names of the persons performing edits............i will keep my eyes peeled on this page in the future! ;)

Mind you, there are still some abnomalies, on the 054A Frigate page, apparently the 20th 054A was commissioned during the month of August 2015................not trying to be funny, but where i live its still July! :(
 
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