054/A FFG Thread II

hkbc

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Actually, that is exactly how ASW is done by ships using TAS/VDS, especially in a formation like a CSG or SAG. Google "ASW sprint and drift". What is not wanted is a sub right under your nose about to kill you. It is certainly possible when other ships in your formation are covering your ass so that you can do the job of proper ASW. Which again is sprint and drift using your towed arrays. And helos. And SOSUS. And everything else you can bring to the table.

Hallelujah! As I was trying to explore at the outset the traditional "PLA-Navy can't find subs for love or money" mind set may need revision because they can and that's why they have an extremely long range ASW missile.

They haven't, because they didn't bother to. As I hinted above, take a look at the Common ASW Standoff Weapon (Sea Lance) in the 80s. It got dropped with the dissolution of the USSR, and the same thing happened with most other ASW and ASuW projects (to the point that today modern US destroyers don't even carry Harpoon missiles). This doesn't mean that there was a trade-off study for the useful range of the system. Case in point, the Soviet Union did field the 50km range Snowstorm/Metel system based on the Malakhit ASuW missile.

The Sea Lance never left the drawing board and was suppose to have a nuclear warhead so rudimentary detection was sufficient, likewise the Metel also had nuclear tipped option. In both instances they're nuclear capable cold war weapons and the extra range is eminently useful! China has a "no first use" stance which I am prepared to believe so I don't think they would be popping nuclear warheads onto their ASW weapons.
 
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referring to FFG-599)

means, since:
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Type 052D Destroyer Nanjing/南京 (hull number 155) & Type 054A Frigate Anyang/安阳 (hull number 599) both have been commissioned already.

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Tam

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If only a Type 052D, a Type 054A and a Type 056 can be moored together side by side in the same picture in the same manner like above.
 
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La frégate 530 Xuzhou (Type 054A) de la 29e flottille d’escorte anti-piraterie fait escale à Djibouti.

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The frigate 530 Xuzhou (Type 054A) of the 29th anti-piracy escort flotilla stops in Djibouti.

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Brilliant brilliant brilliant

So happy to see these inducted !!

Well done and over joyed

The Type 054A is a very well designed FFG and plus the VLS

Let’s hope PN add land attack cruise missiles
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
What VLS are they getting, standard or the new?

If I were the PN, I would opt for the new VLS even if it means fewer cells.

That is going to the where the PLAN will be focusing the lion share of their future weapons development on, so the PN would have far more weapons options off the shelf without needing to pay for development and integration themselves.

The larger cells and the ability to launch both cold and hot launched missiles would also give the PN a far more flexible ship, which may well actually be able to hold more missiles even with fewer cells when PLAN quad or more missile packing options becomes available or publicised.

If the play their cards right, they might even be able to get the PLAN to share or even cover the developmental costs of converting 054As to take the new UVLS as laying the fundations for a future PLAN 054A MLU programme.
 

Tam

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If I were the PN, I would go with better radars, which is not uncommon with the export versions, like the last two Bangladesh Type 056 corvettes have.


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For example, I would fit the SR2410C in place of the Type 382.

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I would put this phase array on the second mast at the funnel where the Type 364 usually is. This radar has been associated with the LY-80N which is the export HHQ-16. This is similar to the land based radars used for the HQ-16, and which Pakistan has acquired. Using this would be more familiar with the Pakistanis.


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Calling the guidance radar L-band is writer's error. Its a certainty its an X-band, or I band in the old NATO classification system.


Export LY-80s feature rear TVC controls, and those spokes on the tail might be for mid phase control of the missile.


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One question is whether the PN should use a naval version of the Sky Dragon 50, aka SD-50, given that they are already SD-10 users.


Can this be quad packed on a H/AJK-16 VLS? If not, dual packed? Or best used with the U-VLS in quad packed fashion?

Surely the PN must want to get the most out of their money from these ships. Having an SD-50/DK-10 on these ships, would significantly transform the combat value you get out of 32 VLS cells. Plus the fact that the missiles are active guided, they are not limited by your illumination systems, only by the number of datalink channels you for the missiles, allowing for a high number of simultaneous engagement. It would work well with the radars above, as the land based SD-50 is meant to work with the support radars for the LY-80 like the IBIS-150 and the IBIS-200.
 
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