PLAN Type 052C/052D Class Destroyers

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    Hi thx for your detailed information
     
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    Sure it is, as long as the total number of gun types are less than previous. And they surely will be. Besides, you don't know when and how many new types of guns will come on line, so there could be a period of time where only 2 gun types are present.
     
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    My lazy prediction of what a Type 052E might be, assuming this line may still continue.

    Much like the Type 052D with a few changes.

    Type 346B radar with GaN.

    GaN X Band APAR on integrated mast, like possibly on Type 055, or offered in "Type 057" (export frigate in IDES 2016), which I assume to be one and the same. This radar replaces the Type 364, Type 366 and Type 344 radars, the three current mechanical radars on the Type 052D and other PLAN ships.

    Type 517 Knife Rest gone. Replaced with ECM mast.

    IEP and increased electrical power generation.

    The concept is to leverage off as much of the existing Type 052D design and use components from the Type 055 to reduce costs, strengthen standardization and current manufacturing.
     
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    Why is Type 45 (UK) having so many issues? I hope they don't commit to IEP too quickly too soon and test it thoroughly in the harsh environment of a warship (as opposed to a commercial situation).

    On the other hand, thinking of the future of railguns, lasers etc, would they install a submarine battery pack on these destroyers to store energy?
     
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    Again, an X-band radar is incapable of "replacing" the 366 since its primary purpose is OTH passive targeting which an X-band AESA won't be able to replicate. Meanwhile its active function is already duplicated by the 364 and even the 382. Also, the 517will not have a suitable replacement in your hypothetical lineup. The functions of both the 366 and 517 may be altogether eliminated in the next iteration of destroyers. Other than that, yes, I think all of those other radars will be made obsolete by a hypothetical X/S-band combo like what is (allegedly) on the 055.

    The Type 45 is poorly designed for warm weather. This does not mean that IEP in general is poorly suited for warm weather.

    As for battery packs, I'm pretty sure they would not be able to hold enough charge to make them any kind of use for railguns or lasers. There's no need to install batteries for these weapons in any case since an IEP can supply power on demand.
     
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    and your
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    guess please:
     
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    In my understanding railguns and big lasers need more power then an IEP system can deliver, but only for a very short time.
    In order to provide that power in such a short time you would need huge super capacitators or flywheels like EMALS is using.
    IEP should be able to quickly charge these systems, so you can keep up a decent rate of fire.
     
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    Well neither capacitors nor flywheels are considered to be batteries. In any case, while I could see a temporary energy storage device being used to fire railguns, I don't see that for a laser, since the biggest naval lasers we have so far are in the 100kW range, and even a frigate (with IEP) should have an installed capacity of a few dozen MW. Even if lasers hit the MW range in the next 10 to 20 years an IEP frigate should have no problem firing a couple of these continuously at the same time.
     
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    I suppose we will not see the 052E anytime soon.
    The new IEPS would be tested and consolidated on 054B, after that it would be migrated to 052E and 055A.
    346B with GaN would be a reasonable update, however I believe it might be a MLU thing for 052C/D.
     
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    Poor cooling system design. Blame the subcontractor for the intercooler.

    Probably no. They are not going to get ahead of themselves, and will take one step at a time.
     
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