052C/052D Class Destroyers

Nah, you're a pot stirrer, and not just in this case.
if you say so


Which Burkes are still at baseline 5?
I don't know the pennant numbers, but I noticed
in Table 2 of
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Arleigh Burke—Flight I/II
row:
Aegis baseline
5,9
entry

and read a similar info in like preview of the document in some cloud which I decided not to access
EDIT of course you may debunk now (actually I wish I'm wrong and all Burkes now have at least Baseline 6 of the Aegis!)


Claiming that someone is saying that a Chinese Aegis "wouldn't actually work" is a kind of straw man attack, easy to beat down, but nowhere near where the discussion has been.
I didn't say you said what now you're saying I said you said


... How you got that I was claiming Chinese Aegis "wouldn't actually work" in all of this is something that still perplexes me.
I was just guessing what your point might be
 
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Iron Man

Major
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I don't know the pennant numbers, but I noticed
in Table 2 of
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in
Arleigh Burke—Flight I/II
row:
Aegis baseline
5,9
entry

and read a similar info in like preview of the document in some cloud which I decided not to access
EDIT of course you may debunk now (actually I wish I'm wrong and all Burkes now have at least Baseline 6 of the Aegis!)
The Baseline 6 Phase III update was initiated on the original USS Arleigh Burke itself (DDG-51) in 1997, so there is no realistic reason to believe all the Flight I/II ships have not completed at least this baseline upgrade by now. Looks like the earlier ships in the Flight I/II batch actually are already starting on Baseline 9 at this point.

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The Baseline 6 Phase III update was initiated on the original USS Arleigh Burke itself (DDG-51) in 1997, so there is no realistic reason to believe all the Flight I/II ships have not completed at least this baseline upgrade by now. Looks like the earlier ships in the Flight I/II batch actually are already starting on Baseline 9 at this point.

This link provides info on Baselines 1-7:
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it's getting off topic of
PLAN Type 052C/052D Class Destroyers
but I kept digging in the meantime so let me finish:

if ALL of
DDG-54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 60, 62, 63, 64
by now have the Aegis baseline 6 (six) or higher, I was wrong (fortunately! gosh), you were right Thursday at 7:25 AM

my closing remark is it all started with the question by a debater Wednesday at 6:17 AM if the USN Aegis ships still have:

UYK-43_Photo_.jpg
on board​
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
China is really going for it no stopping

Unbelievable

As I noted before, I see China going for 3 AEGIS destroyers per year for the forseeable future, which would match the US build rate.

China's is already the world's largest trading nation and largest net foreign investor. It is also going to plough at a bare minimum of $1 trillion (and probably much more) in infrastructure investments over the next 10 years in Asia.

So it clearly has the need to build the world's largest navy to protect its commerce, just as the British Navy and US Navy had the same requirement when they were the world's pre-eminent trading nations. Plus it would mean the world's largest navy in some 20+ years time, which would be one way of solving the Taiwan sovereignty issue.

At the same time, the Chinese economy is already the largest by many measures, and will likely be the largest by any measure within the next 10 years, even with a further growth slowdown. Yet even in 10 years time, the average Chinese person will still be significantly poorer than the average American, so China should be able to sustain a higher growth rate. And also note that China today only spends a modest 2% of GDP on the military, versus 3%+ for the USA.

And from a technology perspective, the Boston Consulting Group noted that back in 2014, China already spent more than the USA on R&D to produce final products and implement process improvements in the commercial realm.

So overall, we can expect the Chinese navy to become hi-tech.

This is simply the new normal.
 
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