052C/052D Class Destroyers

Jeff Head

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@tidalwave ... it has been widely expected by many in this forum that the number of 052D would be at lest 18 ... in not more. Have you got the link o fthe news?
With two yards now producing them...unless they plan to switch one of them to something else soon...I would expect them to build even more than eighteen. Twenty-four seems more likely to me at this point.

Time will tell.
 
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Iron Man

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This isn't to say that I believe my position is an "almost certain" explanation for why an expansion or destroyer production to three yards is occurring. But I do believe that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that it is "almost certain" that the expansion of production is due to economic considerations and unrelated to the Navy's strategic and operational needs, and I also think there is a viable counter position to say that such an expansion in destroyer production may have been part of the Navy's plans.
This statement is constructed in a manner which already assumes that expansion of 055 production to 3 shipyards is a certainty. This is something you do not have the evidence to assume, regardless of how much weight you are trying to give to internet rumors.
 

Blitzo

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This statement is constructed in a manner which already assumes that expansion of 055 production to 3 shipyards is a certainty. This is something you do not have the evidence to assume, regardless of how much weight you are trying to give to internet rumors.

Well the entire discussion was written by both plawolf and myself with the presumption that destroyer production would be expanded to three shipyards, yes, and we were debating the potential reason for such an expansion.

I don't think anyone here is operating the assumption that expansion of destroyer production to three shipyards is 100% going to occur, but the sad fact is that there's been enough rumours about it over the last few months from some sources with past credibility, that it warrants some discussion, not only about whether it may occur or not but also why it may occur.


(also note: destroyer production =/= 055 production)
 

Jeff Head

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Well the entire discussion was written by both plawolf and myself with the presumption that destroyer production would be expanded to three shipyards, yes, and we were debating the potential reason for such an expansion.

I don't think anyone here is operating the assumption that expansion of destroyer production to three shipyards is 100% going to occur, but the sad fact is that there's been enough rumours about it over the last few months from some sources with past credibility, that it warrants some discussion, not only about whether it may occur or not but also why it may occur.


(also note: destroyer production =/= 055 production)
I think that with Type 052D production going on a two yards already, that when Type 055 kicks off, it may ultimately also include a third yard.
 

Blitzo

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I think that with Type 052D production going on a two yards already, that when Type 055 kicks off, it may ultimately also include a third yard.

Yes, well the rumours are suggesting that once JN gets into 055 production more fully, they may give up on 052D production and give 052D production to a third shipyard (HP LX) instead, while DL will produce both 052D and 055 for a little while, but that they may shift production locations as well.
All while JN and DL will probably be a bit busy with carrier work too.

So there's definitely a bit of uncertainty about what exactly the destroyer production situation will be like in the short term, but there are consistent suggestions that there will be a third yard producing destroyers.
 

Iron Man

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Well the entire discussion was written by both plawolf and myself with the presumption that destroyer production would be expanded to three shipyards, yes, and we were debating the potential reason for such an expansion.

I don't think anyone here is operating the assumption that expansion of destroyer production to three shipyards is 100% going to occur, but the sad fact is that there's been enough rumours about it over the last few months from some sources with past credibility, that it warrants some discussion, not only about whether it may occur or not but also why it may occur.


(also note: destroyer production =/= 055 production)
I thought you were saying earlier that specifically the 055 would be produced in 3 yards, not just destroyer production in general?
 

Blitzo

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I thought you were saying earlier that specifically the 055 would be produced in 3 yards, not just destroyer production in general?

Earlier? In the discussion with plawolf, or an earlier discussion with you or someone else?

In the discussion with plawolf, my position was talking about destroyer production in general, and that there may eventually be all three yards producing 055s
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-052c-052d-class-destroyers.t6881/page-147#post-409831

I may have talked about the possibility of three yards producing 055s in a much earlier discussion, but I don't think I would have said it in a way to imply that it was a certainty.
 
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