AndrewS, he said euros, not dollars, which presumably when Henry K quoted the price was before the latest round of euro depreciation and thus represent $500-650 million. The 054A is supposed to be in the $250-300 million range, or roughly half the cost of the 052D, which I think is reasonable.
052C/052D Class Destroyers
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Guys dont forget the amount of sailors needed aswell.
A frigate size ship has a way less amount needed then a large destroyer or cruiser.
China needs to train these sailors to use them.
Also... You need frigates for the smaller jobs.
Why send an expensive large ship when a smaller can do the job.
Its logic they keep both 052d and 055 in production with the 054a (or upgrade).
I dont know about shipbuilding from China.
But aint there more docks usable for 052 then 055 aswell?
Maintenance is also a factor...
A frigate size ship has a way less amount needed then a large destroyer or cruiser.
China needs to train these sailors to use them.
Also... You need frigates for the smaller jobs.
Why send an expensive large ship when a smaller can do the job.
Its logic they keep both 052d and 055 in production with the 054a (or upgrade).
I dont know about shipbuilding from China.
But aint there more docks usable for 052 then 055 aswell?
Maintenance is also a factor...
If you look at the Total Cost of Ownership studies from the US Navy, we can see the labour cost difference between a frigate and destroyer is not too great.
I agree that a Frigate class ship is needed.
But let's say that I agree that a Type-52D is say $600M, which means the cost of a Type-55 is likely to be around $700-750M.
The argument still stands that the Type-55 is better value for money in terms of current capabilities (mainly VLS cells and C&C) and also future capabilities - when compared to the Type-52D.
I agree that a Frigate class ship is needed.
But let's say that I agree that a Type-52D is say $600M, which means the cost of a Type-55 is likely to be around $700-750M.
The argument still stands that the Type-55 is better value for money in terms of current capabilities (mainly VLS cells and C&C) and also future capabilities - when compared to the Type-52D.
AeroEngineer
Junior Member
Close to 700 mil for one 052D !!
Andrews. A frigate with less complicated systems needs less ranked crew aswell.
The total cost picture of a Frigate is waaaaaaay lower then a Destroyer.
For example, dutch zeven province frigate (actually destroyer) has a crew of 30/40 weap tech (sensors. weapons. comms etc).
and a karel doorman frigate has 20 at most.
From those 30/40 are 3 officers and 4 serg majors. 20 corporals and 4 a 5 sailors.
Frigate has 2 officers. 2 serg majors. 10 corps and 6 sailors.
Not speaking of the tech section and the rest aswell.
You need more administration and cooks for all the crew and stores onboard.
Also fuelwise,logistics is bigger.
Maintenance is more costly.
When something breaks on a destroyer is also more expensive.
Then 052 to 055 it will be the same as 054a compared to 052.
But you can also think...
More modern systems is more automatic.
Bigger ships barely need more sailors for nautical stuff (mooring, painting etc).
Bridge crew is the same.
Comm center a bit more (officers rates are almost the same as smaller but still full weaponised ships).
I dont know how China currently operates on crewwise and future of automated systems...
In the dutch navy we got apar and smart-l.
Both when they where new, had big expenses on maintenance.
And both need a large cooling system, especially in high temp sections of the ocean.
Just 20 cents i wanted to add to haha.
I can talk hours on in this discussion. It all depends on how the navy operates...
The total cost picture of a Frigate is waaaaaaay lower then a Destroyer.
For example, dutch zeven province frigate (actually destroyer) has a crew of 30/40 weap tech (sensors. weapons. comms etc).
and a karel doorman frigate has 20 at most.
From those 30/40 are 3 officers and 4 serg majors. 20 corporals and 4 a 5 sailors.
Frigate has 2 officers. 2 serg majors. 10 corps and 6 sailors.
Not speaking of the tech section and the rest aswell.
You need more administration and cooks for all the crew and stores onboard.
Also fuelwise,logistics is bigger.
Maintenance is more costly.
When something breaks on a destroyer is also more expensive.
Then 052 to 055 it will be the same as 054a compared to 052.
But you can also think...
More modern systems is more automatic.
Bigger ships barely need more sailors for nautical stuff (mooring, painting etc).
Bridge crew is the same.
Comm center a bit more (officers rates are almost the same as smaller but still full weaponised ships).
I dont know how China currently operates on crewwise and future of automated systems...
In the dutch navy we got apar and smart-l.
Both when they where new, had big expenses on maintenance.
And both need a large cooling system, especially in high temp sections of the ocean.
Just 20 cents i wanted to add to haha.
I can talk hours on in this discussion. It all depends on how the navy operates...
I think Combattants DDG/CG more specialized for AAW have an more important crew in general.
What is the more expensive hull ( i don 't think ), propulsion, sensors ?
For Naval launchers, guns and others you can look there :
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/naval-launchers-guns-and-others.t8016/
What is the more expensive hull ( i don 't think ), propulsion, sensors ?
For Naval launchers, guns and others you can look there :
https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/naval-launchers-guns-and-others.t8016/
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
China is really turning on the style with naval procurements
Scores of DDGs
10 x Type 052D in the water
3 more identified
Plus 6 very capable Type 052C
Scores of DDGs
10 x Type 052D in the water
3 more identified
Plus 6 very capable Type 052C
Yes they have.
Now 25 Type 054A very modern and capable mulit-role guided missile frigates in the water..
And now approaching 20 very capable mulit-role guided missile destroyers in the water.
That's 45 very modern vessels...not to mention the Type 052Bs, Type 051Cs, the Sovs, and now all of those Type 056 light frigates.
A very modern and very balanced, large fleet.
I know a frigate is more cost effective for lots of missions than a destroyer.
But for both types of ships, the crew costs don't make much difference over the total lifetime cost of ownership.
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There is a study on this where they calculated the split between acquisition, labour, fuel, maintenance etc. It included the Arleigh Bruke.
If you google for this, you should find it.
But for both types of ships, the crew costs don't make much difference over the total lifetime cost of ownership.
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There is a study on this where they calculated the split between acquisition, labour, fuel, maintenance etc. It included the Arleigh Bruke.
If you google for this, you should find it.