PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
The first chinese nuclear sub become the butt of the joke because they are so noisy.But few people know the story behind this sub. Now the story of this sub is out of the bag .Even though the sub itself is retired,the man behind the sub surprisingly still alive and healthy at ripe age of 93.
Yup he is still working but due to advance age his work is limited
This submarine is real achievement for China without it there is no Chinese nuclear sub!

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I am at awe at his life story like so many of his generation Huang Xuhua saw first hand see the destruction of China and how helpless china was, He resolved to help built China a strong navy and devoted his life to it sacrificing his personal life for the cause,Here is his story as told to Chutian metropolitan daily. unbelievable!

At young age of 34 he was tasked with building nuclear sub. Though he doesn't have a clue how to built nuclear sub. He did work on imitating and RE soviet diesel sub but nuclear sub is a whole different kettle. The worst part nobody ever see a real nuclear submarine. They scrutinize the open publication but they can find nothing of valuable.

The breakthrough come when someone from US brought them a toy submarine which they studied to death and from it get inspiration how to put together a nuclear sub. And for the calculation since they don't have computer they use ABACUS!

I told this story before but nobody believe me. Now from the horses mouth himself. Xiinhui @CDF first posted this story I do google translation and clean up the grammar a bit

China's nuclear submarine father the year with the calculation of submarine data Chutian Metropolis Daily 2017/07/10 09:40:10 original title:
Unknown for 30 years of research and development of the country, the father of China's nuclear submarine submarine life motto "If anyone asked us How to evaluate this life, we will say that this life is not wasted. Our life is dedicated to the country, to the nuclear submarine business. We have no regrets! "-

China's first generation of nuclear submarine chief architect, Chinese Academy of Engineering Huang Xuhua City News reporter Chen Ling ink internship party Min Song Yuqi Wu Yangyang photography: Chutian Metropolis Daily reporter Xiao Hao in Qingdao Navy Museum pier, parked China's first nuclear submarine.

Last year on October 15, after cruising over 40 years,she enter retirement. But its chief designer, still in the "service" among. July 4 morning, in China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation, a research institute,

Chutian Metropolis Daily reporter saw Huang Xuhua. He is the first generation of China's nuclear submarine chief architect, Chinese Academy of Engineering, known as "the father of China's nuclear submarines." The physical condition only allowed him to work for half a day, Huang Xuhua feel that time is not enough. Every day at 8:30 am will appear in the office on time, finishing over the past few decades accumulated information. This "Zhiguo Dragon Palace" life "crazy", to their own research results left to the next generation.

93-year-old Huang Xuhua, wearing a sports bracelet, his thinking is still clear with amazing memory. Listen to his story, just like watching a biography movie. For the development of the country's heavy equipment, he was unknown for 30 years. His life, like the deep sea of nuclear submarines, seemingly obscure, but these are shocking forces. ◆
Huang Xuhua academician told this reporter that he has never seen a nuclear submarine. He was 34 years old when he became the chief designer in 1954,

At that itme the world's first nuclear submarine - the United States "Nautilus" undergo its first trial. In 1957, the Soviet Union's first nuclear submarine was launched in thewater.
In 1958, China launched the development of missile nuclear submarines. Graduated from the Shanghai Jiaotong University Shipbuilding Department of Huang Xuhua, has been involved in imitation of conventional Soviet submarine.He was selected to participate in the study. Shortly afterwards, the Soviet Union announced the withdrawal of aid experts. Chairman Mao said to Huang Xuhua and other older scientific research workers in an upsurge of emotion: "nuclear submarines, Even if take ten thousand years it has to be made "

Ten thousand years too long, seize the day and night.
Less than a month, Huang Xuhua and technical staff from all over the country,were brought together to pool their their barren hills of idea.
"China's nuclear submarine is completely started from scratch." Huang Xuhua recalled: "The biggest difficulty is not talent.If our researchers have seen what a nuclear submarine looks like, it may greatly shorten the development process."

At that time, the world's most advanced nuclear submarine Type is a drop type, because the friction resistance is small, underwater mobility and stability is good. The United States in the development of carefully selected three steps. We are also in three steps, or compress three steps in one step?

Development team had a heated debate. 34-year-old chief architect Huang Xuhua decided to choose the latter, "time is pressing, we can only detour." Without hesitation, Huang Xuhua led us through a large number of calculations and repeated demonstration, only three months to put forward five Type of boat program, and then rush headlong into the Shanghai Jiaotong University laboratory.

This is just the beginning. Nuclear submarine technology complex, involving numerous supporting systems and thousands of equipment, of which the most critical is the nuclear power plant, underwater communications, launchers and other seven major technologies.

"We have no choice but to groan forward and step forward, we just have unshakable determination!" He said. Abacus is the main computing tool made of indigenous law "Long March 1" Huang Xuhua still treasure a "forward" brand abacus. In the absence of modern means of calculation of the era, this abacus had accompanied him spending countless days and nights.

"The development of nuclear submarine many of the key data, coming out from the abacus ." Huang Xuhua said, in order to ensure the accuracy of the data, he and his colleagues often grouped the same set of data over and over, and regroup the different results and then re-count until the results are consistent. To crunch the data, "crackling" of the abacus sound is often hear all night.

China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation chief technical expert Zhang Jinlan, who in 1988 followed Huang Xuhua to participate in nuclear submarine deep diving test. He is still incredulous that he use the abacus to calculate the nuclear submarine design: "This is not a simple addition and subtraction multiplication and division, but to use the trigonometric function, logarithm and other complex and difficult formula and model." But in the poor condition at the time, Huang Xuhua And colleagues are using this simple approach, to solve a number of cutting-edge technical problems.
They are like a needle in haystack, trying to collect the nuclear submarine technical article in the foreign news reports
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None of us has seen a real nuclear submarine, not sure how to design a reliable submarine. By chance, someone from abroad get back two US "Washington" nuclear submarine toy model. Huang Xuhua said it is like finding a treasure: "We dismantled and re assembled again and again, and the design of submarine is basically come into being . We are happy!
 
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
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August 1, 1974, the nuclear submarine was named "Long March 1", officially inducted into the naval battle ssquadron. At this point, China has become the fifth country with nuclear submarines. Three unforgettable tears sum up his life loyalty to his country's back in the past 93 years,

Huang Xuhua said that he had shed tears 3 times that he can't forget. The first time in April 1988, China's first nuclear submarine deep diving test. All the participants understand that this test is very important and very dangerous. The late 70s of last century, the United States, "long tail shark" is submerged in the deep dive test, the boat more than 160 people were buried in the sea.

Before the start of the trial, the atmosphere of the staff quarters was dignified. They have to write a will to their family, and sing song "blood style": "Maybe this is my farewell and I will not come back ... ..." In order to encourage everyone, 64-year-old Huang Xuhua decided to join in with crew in the water. Submarine more submarine dive deeper, he command , "In fact, in our heart there is high degree of tension." When the experiment is successful, the world's first personally involved in nuclear submarine deep diving test, the chief designer, was excited with face running in tears.

From 1957 to 1986, Huang Xuhua anonymously developed nuclear submarines, for 30 years he failed to meet with their parents, The only contact is . A mailbox number. In 1987, a Shanghai magazine published a report on Huang Xuhua work, he sent a copy of the mother.his

Mother read the story over and over again, ansn the whole family cried,he said: "Later, when the sister told him this matter, Huang Xuhua once again in tears." In 1988, Huang Xuhua back to hos home in Guangdong , his mother was 93 years old. "I left home for 30 years, my family only know my mailbox in Beijing. Father seriously ill, I can not go back; he died, I can not go back ... ..." In the father's grave, Huang Xuhua shed tears for the third time. For the sake of National mission Huang Xuhua lost a lot of family happiness.

Shortly after his marriage, he and his wife were 6 years, he and the three daughters is also more away from the more. His eldest daughter Huang Yan Ni, follow the father's family feelings and life trajectory, but also to join the cause of China's nuclear submarine development.
Witnessing the destruction of the country he abandon the the original plan to become a doctor and embarked on the country shipbuilding road as Huang Xuhua grew up ,

He seems destined to the sea life. In 1924, Huang Xuhua was born in Guangdong Shanwei. "My original ambition is the same as my parents to learn medicine, the results of the Japanese bombing let me change the original intention." After the outbreak of the war, Huang Xuhua had to turn Shaoguan, Guilin, Chongqing and other places for school. Seeing all displaced people, the country destruction, juvenile Huang Xuhua began to think: the motherland so big, why there is not even a quiet place to read? "In 1945.

Huang Xuhua was given the award then China's highest institutions - the central government of the country, , The University of Aeronautics and Astronautics is eligible for the first commeration of the National Jiaotong University (Shanghai Jiaotong University), known as the "Oriental MIT (MIT)".

On April 8, 2016, 120th anniversary of the founding, the Shanghai Jiaotong University official microblogging forwarded a photo: celebrating the life achievement of , 92-year-old veteran Huang Xuhua, raised from his chair, stand up to make the speech. "If anyone asked us how to evaluate this life, we will say that this life is not wasted."

Our life is dedicated to the country, to the nuclear submarine business. We have no life of our own in this life. regret!"
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Here is the original post in Chinese If any one find inconsistency in google translation please correct it thanks
The translation is the above post. This story has to be told Indeed one man do make a difference even if the price is steep. amazing China is lucky to have dedicated son and daughter who care

中国核潜艇之父:当年用算盘算潜艇数据
楚天都市报2017/07/10 09:40:10
原标题:隐姓埋名30年研制国之重器,中国核潜艇之父的深潜人生

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“若有人问我们如何评价这一生,我们会说,此生没有虚度。我们的这一生都奉献给国家、给核潜艇事业。我们此生无悔!” ——中国第一代核潜艇总设计师、中国工程院院士黄旭华

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在青岛海军博物馆码头,停泊着中国第一艘核潜艇。去年10月15日,它在游弋大洋40多年后退役。

但它的总设计师,仍在“服役”之中。

7月4日上午,在中国船舶重工集团公司某研究所,楚天都市报记者见到了黄旭华。他是我国第一代核潜艇总设计师、中国工程院院士,被称为“中国核潜艇之父”。

身体状况只允许他每天工作半天,黄旭华觉得时间不够用,每个工作日上午8时30分会准时出现在办公室,整理过去数十年积累的资料。这位“志探龙宫”一辈子的“痴翁”,要把自己一生的研究成果留给下一代。

93岁的黄旭华,戴着运动手环,思路清晰,记忆力惊人。听他讲述自己的故事,就像在看一部传记电影。为研制国之重器,他隐姓埋名30年。他的人生,就像深海中的核潜艇,看似默默无闻,却蕴藏着震撼人心的力量。

◆黄旭华院士接受本报记者专访

从没见过核潜艇的他

34岁便担纲总设计师

1954年,全球第一艘核潜艇——美国“鹦鹉螺号”首次试航。1957年,苏联第一艘核潜艇下水。

1958年,我国启动研制导弹核潜艇。毕业于上海交通大学造船系的黄旭华,曾参与仿制苏式常规潜艇,被选中参加研究。

之后不久,苏联宣布撤回援华专家。毛主席说出了让黄旭华等老一辈科研工作者心潮澎湃的一句话:“核潜艇,一万年也要造出来!”

一万年太久,只争朝夕。不到一个月,黄旭华和来自全国各地的技术人员,汇集到了那个寄托着他们理想的荒山半岛。“中国核潜艇完全是白手起家。”黄旭华回忆:“最大的困难是没有人才。如果我们的研究人员有谁见过核潜艇长什么模样,也许会大大缩短研制过程。”

当时,世界上最先进的核潜艇外型是水滴型,因为摩擦阻力小,水下机动性和稳定性好。美国在研制中谨慎地选择了三步走。我们是也分三步走,还是三步并作一步?研制队伍发生激烈争论。34岁的总设计师黄旭华毅然选择了后者,“时间紧迫,我们只能少走弯路。”

没有犹豫彷徨,黄旭华带领大家通过大量计算和反复论证,仅用三个月就提出了五个艇型方案,然后一头扎进上海交大的实验室。

这仅仅是开始。核潜艇技术复杂,配套系统和设备成千上万,其中最为关键的是核动力装置、水下通讯、发射装置等七项重大技术。“我们别无选择,只能摸索着一步一步往前闯。我们有的,只是不可动摇的决心!”他说。

算盘是主要计算工具

土法造出“长征一号”

黄旭华至今还珍藏着一把“前进”牌算盘。在没有现代化计算手段的年代,这把算盘曾伴随他度过无数个日日夜夜。

“研制核潜艇的许多关键数据,就是从这把算盘上跳出来的。”黄旭华说,为了保证数据准确,他和同事们常常分组计算同一组数据,出现不同结果就重新再算,直到结果一致。为了一个数据,“噼噼啪啪”的算盘声经常一响就是一整夜。

中船重工集团公司首席技术专家张锦岚,曾于1988年跟随黄旭华参与核潜艇深潜试验。他对用算盘计算核潜艇数据感到不可思议:“这可不是简单的加减乘除,而是要运用三角函数、对数等各种复杂和高难度的运算公式和模型。”

但在一穷二白的当时,黄旭华和同事们正是用这种土办法,解决了许多尖端技术问题。

他们就像大海捞针一般,从国外的新闻报道中搜集有关核潜艇的只言片语。谁也没见过真正的核潜艇,不敢肯定拼出来的设计图是否靠谱。一次偶然的机会,有人从国外弄回两个美国“华盛顿号”核潜艇的玩具模型。黄旭华如获至宝:“我们拆解分装了一次又一次,发现跟我们推演出的设计图基本一致。大家高兴坏了!”

1970年12月26日,中国第一艘核潜艇下水。正如钱学森所说:“没有一万年,也没有一千年、一百年,只用了十年,我们就建造出了自己的核潜艇!”

1974年8月1日,这艘核潜艇被命名为“长征一号”,正式列入海军战斗序列。至此,中国成为第五个拥有核潜艇的国家。

三次刻骨铭心的眼泪

诉说精忠报国的一生

回望过去93年,黄旭华说,自己曾三次流泪,让他刻骨铭心。

第一次是1988年4月,中国首次进行核潜艇深潜试验。所有参试人员都明白,这次试验非常重要,也十分危险。上世纪70年代末,美国的“长尾鲨号”就是在深潜试验中沉没,艇上160多人全部葬身海底。

试验开始前,参试人员宿舍气氛凝重。他们有的给家人写遗书,有的唱起《血染的风采》:“也许我告别,将不再回来……”

为了鼓励大家,64岁的黄旭华决定和同事们一起下水。潜艇越潜越深,他指挥若定,“其实内心高度紧张。”

当实验成功,这位世界上首位亲自参与核潜艇深潜试验的总设计师,激动得满脸都是泪水。出艇后,他即兴写下这样一句话:“花甲痴翁,志探龙宫;惊涛骇浪,乐在其中!”

1957年至1986年,黄旭华隐姓埋名研制核潜艇,30年未能与父母谋面,唯一联系就是一个信箱号码。

直到1987年,上海一家杂志发表了关于黄旭华的报道,他给母亲寄了一本。母亲把报道看了一遍又一遍,流着泪对全家人说:“三哥(黄旭华)的事情,大家要谅解。”后来,当妹妹告诉他这件事时,黄旭华又一次落泪了。

1988年,两鬓斑白的黄旭华回到广东老家时,母亲已经93岁。“我离家30年,家人只知道我在北京的邮箱号。父亲重病,我回不去;他去世了,我回不去……”在父亲坟前,黄旭华第三次流下热泪。

国家使命让黄旭华失去了很多天伦之乐。婚后不久,他便与妻子分别6年,他与三个女儿也是聚少离多。他的大女儿黄燕妮,循着父亲的家国情怀和人生轨迹,也投身到中国核潜艇研制事业中。

目睹山河破碎改初衷

弃医走上造船强国路

海边长大的黄旭华,似乎注定要和大海一生结缘。

1924年,黄旭华出生在广东汕尾。“我原本的志向是和父母一样学医,结果日本人的轰炸让我改变了初衷。”

抗战爆发后,黄旭华不得不辗转韶关、桂林、重庆等地求学。一路颠沛流离,一路山河破碎,少年黄旭华开始思考:祖国那么大,为什么连一个安静读书的地方都找不到?“思考的结果是,我决定不学医了。我要学航空、学造船,将来造飞机捍卫我们的蓝天,造军舰抵御海上的侵略!”

1945年,黄旭华放弃当时中国最高学府——国立中央大学航空系的保送资格,以第一名考上被称作“东方MIT(麻省理工学院)”的国立交通大学(上海交大前身)造船系。

2016年4月8日,在120周年校庆之际,上海交大官方微博转发了一张照片:校庆活动中,92岁的老学长黄旭华,推开为他准备的椅子,坚持站着演讲。

面对风华正茂、求知若渴的大学生们,黄旭华说:“若有人问我们如何评价这一生,我们会说,此生没有虚度。我们的这一生都奉献给国家、给核潜艇事业。我们此生无悔!”
 

delft

Brigadier
The late 70s of last century, the United States, "long tail shark" is submerged in the deep dive test, the boat more than 160 people were buried in the sea.
USS Thresher was lost April 10, 1963. I well remember where I was when I heard of this loss.


I remember reading a small book about using the abacus and that in the hands of an experienced user it works very fast.
 

Insignius

Junior Member
Quite significant finding!

The 032 tested China's JL-2 SLBM, which just barely fit inside the submarine. Now, it seems it will test a new and larger SLBM with potentially longer range. JL-3 maybe? If so, this really might be an indication that the 096 SSBN is coming along.

About time that the PLAN gets on with that. Cannot understand how China can feel secure without an SLBM that can hit the US from Chinese waters.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
From Henri K blog a lot of people under estimate the capability of Song sub I believe she is one of the best
The longest mission known by one of the officers of a Type 039 diesel submarine is 60 days.

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taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
Here is the original post in Chinese If any one find inconsistency in google translation please correct it thanks
The translation is the above post. This story has to be told Indeed one man do make a difference even if the price is steep. amazing China is lucky to have dedicated son and daughter who care

中国核潜艇之父:当年用算盘算潜艇数据
楚天都市报2017/07/10 09:40:10
原标题:隐姓埋名30年研制国之重器,中国核潜艇之父的深潜人生

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他们就像大海捞针一般,从国外的新闻报道中搜集有关核潜艇的只言片语。谁也没见过真正的核潜艇,不敢肯定拼出来的设计图是否靠谱。一次偶然的机会,有人从国外弄回两个美国“华盛顿号”核潜艇的玩具模型。黄旭华如获至宝:“我们拆解分装了一次又一次,发现跟我们推演出的设计图基本一致。大家高兴坏了!”
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I was always and still a bit skeptical about the story of "US model toy submarine". But if the article claims the designer saying so, I take it as that.

That said, I think your translation gave the reversed impression to me. In your translation it sounds like the toy model inspired the designer. But the Chinese paragraph seems to say the opposite, that is the designers had finished their blueprint before they got the models. They were unsure of their design however because they never did it before, so the model they got was used to confirm that they did the right thing. Without the models they would have continued building the sub anyway which would be proven working.

I think the article writer and probably 黄旭华 himself is just dramatizing the model story to make the article more attractive to audience.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I was always and still a bit skeptical about the story of "US model toy submarine". But if the article claims the designer saying so, I take it as that.

That said, I think your translation gave the reversed impression to me. In your translation it sounds like the toy model inspired the designer. But the Chinese paragraph seems to say the opposite, that is the designers had finished their blueprint before they got the models. They were unsure of their design however because they never did it before, so the model they got was used to confirm that they did the right thing. Without the models they would have continued building the sub anyway which would be proven working.

I think the article writer and probably 黄旭华 himself is just dramatizing the model story to make the article more attractive to audience.

Well based on my personal experience There is no such thing as new invention out of the blue very rare Most of the engineering work is improvement of the previous model. You need so called "go by" or reference

They certainly know the front side of the submarine since they have been reverse engineering the Soviet Sub
But Nuclear power plant is different than the Diesel So room and equipment lay out is the first thing that they has to tackle

The idea here is to minimize and simplified piping , wiring and ducting. Ease of access and maintenance .Logical work flow. in short efficiency. Here where the model play an important role

I think it is not a toy but plastic model so it is not detail but give you the outline and partition of the sub. They have an idea how to partition the sub and where the major equipment will be located but they are not sure They need a reference
The model become their reference. so yes I believe what he said and it only make sense
Long time ago I read about it in a book by American analyst about first Chinese submarine and He said the same thing

That doesn't sound outrageous. Before the advance of PC and cheap 3 D model software that is how engineer built power plant of refinery. When I was summer student my job is to update plastic model As they design a plant.The first order of the day is to layout the major equipment then they revise and updated the model as well. The operation, engineer, often consult the model and keep changing it. they have to check for interference and better efficiency . It very difficult to visualize 3 D from 2 D drawing and prevent a lot of headache
It is outdated now they used 3 D model now
 
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