PLAN Type 035/039/091/092 Submarine Thread

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    Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

    The missiles on the Typhoon are all mounted forward of the island. The penetrate into the outer hull between the two inner hulls. The outer hull is designed to cover these and provide their doors without the need for a hump.


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    The only real "hump" is the fairing onto the island which rests atop and between those two covered inner hulls. No hump forward.

    The following picture is a good comparison (which does not include the Ohio which has 24 tubes.


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    As you can see, there is a slight hump on the Vanguard, as there also is on the Ohio (which has 24 tubes). But that hump does not house the missiles. The missiles are completely within the pressure hull. That slight hump is a fairing to give space for the missile silo doors, which are not within the pressure hull.


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    For submarines...yes. Can't apply that to women (at least for me).:p:eek:
     
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    Difference in samentics

    By hump, I meant a unoccuplied structure outside the pressure hull used to extend the depth of the submarine in order accommodate the full length of the missile tubes of an SSBN. In this sense, the Typhoon's forward hydrodynamic or outer hull is really one big, well faired hump.

    The "hump" under the sail is actually a third pressure hull. It looks like a hump, but is unlike SSBN humps because it is occupied.
     
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    Typhoon was unique I doubt we will see another sub like them for sometime. I can only think of two sub classes that used a double pressure hull. Typhoon and the Japanese aircraft carrier submarine of WW2.
     
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    An article by Christian Conroy in the National Interest says the 094 SSBNs are too noisy to avoid US (and Japanese?) detection systems. If so, then can 094s truly provide "creditable" at-sea nuclear deterrence?

    China SSBNs

     
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    Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

    Saying something is true doesn't make it so. You need to give evidence/logic, otherwise it's cheap talks.
    China clearly doesn't know it, otherwise they wouldn't invest billions in multiple 094s.
    Never said USN is not advancing.

    Showing US has Ohio since 81, or Elvis is gone etc, is different from showing that they can neutralize 094. To do that, you need to, well, show that they can neutralize 094.
    China investing in J20 doesn't mean J10/J11 don't do their job. Simple logic, not hard to understand.
    How soon exactly are they building 096 ? I'm really interested in the progress.

    Not saying the USN admiral doesn't know his stuffs but does that mean he tells the truth, publicly ?
    Current USN assets are sunk costs. If 094s pose a new challenge to USN which cannot be easily met without new investments which are not readily available. The admiral is just being smart to downplay it publicly as a mind game or to comfort the folks back home.
    That's what I mean, PLAN put their money where their mouth is to the tune of billions with multiple 094s while the other side are just mouthing off. So far, all I see is more talks.
     
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    Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

    093 and 094 are extremely noisy subs. Whether or not we want to believe it, that's why the US intelligence community, the world's submariner community have been saying for years now.

    I think what Jeff is saying is that while 094 is noisy, it's still a credible nuclear deterrence as long as it operates from an sea water protected by PLAN and can strike American soil. I agree with that. It's not the optimal solution like US with Ohio class, but it's legitimate nuclear threat from an operational boomer with operational ICBM, whereas 092 was certainly not this way.
     
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    Noisy subs can be hiding underneath commercial ships. Pacific ocean is very big. If the subs going thru very obscure route chances are they can be undetected especially under bad weather.

    Send the subs out during typhoon or rainy bad weather season then the work is cut out for hunting down the subs.

    Mother Nature is a much bigger factor than human factors. All the fine points of technical advantages suddenly evaporated,
     
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    High noise level information of 092 and 094 SSBNs are from US intelligence community, what creditable data do you have to suggest they're wrong?
     
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