PLAN Sovremenny DDG 136, 137, 138 & 139 Thread

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    And yet that is precisely what they are doing with the earlier Sovs in the refit.

    Fore and aft VLS, two new gun CIWS, and a 24 cell HHQ launcher forward.

    I suspect they will treat the 956Es the same way.
     
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    That has been a point of discussion between myself and Bltizo in the recent past. The first two Sovs have the rear pair of AK-630s very close to the helipad such that a taller CIWS with a radar and E/O turret (such as an 1130) mounted at those locations would endanger any helicopter trying to land on the pad. This is why I think they will either mount a single 1130 in the midline of the ship at the rear, or they will keep the 630s as they are. Or alternatively mount the 1130s further away from the helipad. The newer 956EM variant has the Kashtan CIWS mounts much further away from the helipad and so the PLAN could easily just swap them out for 1130s; it remains to be seen if the 956EM versions will have an HHQ-10 launcher. If they do that would represent effectively three CIWS-type weapons in an 8,000 ton ship, a setup even the 055 doesn't have the luxury of receiving.
     
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    The Type 055 will have better AAW.

    They have 128 cells and can afford a very effective quad packing of ESSM type short to mid range missiles to compliment the HHQ launcher and the 1130.

    ...and still have plenty of cells for good long range AAW coverage, good ASW ASROC type coverage, and plenty left over for good ASM coverage as well.

    A Sov with two gun CIWS and an HHQ would be adequately covered, particularly since they only have 32 cells for AAW coverage after that. With eight canister ASMs and eight VLS ASMs they will also have a very strong anti-surface capability.

    IMHO, the Chinese upgrade is going to make the Sovs a more effective, and longer viable ship for them.
     
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    Will the Chinese change the propulsion in their 4 Sovremeniyy's? Because the propulsion ( steam turbines ) were the sore spot of Soviet/Russian Sovremeniy's...
     
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    Nobody?
     
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    No, they won't. It's not worth the time, the trouble, or the cost. Taking out the propulsion system requires gutting the ship, all the way down to the bottom deck, and what about the reduction gears? Those might need modification and replacement too. It's easily a 12-16 month job for a bunch of old ships. This is why ships stay with their propulsion system for life. We are not talking about swapping an engine out of a Chevy here.
     
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    I did not see any indication in the refit pictures that they opened her up enough to change the engines...so I would have to say no.
     
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    Unfortunately it's something the Royal Navy has had to do on it's type-45's, so it's not unprecedented
     
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    If I understand it correctly, the RN won't replace the complete propulsion system but it will apply some fixes to the heat recuperation system of the gas turbines and replace the diesel generators with more powerful versions (which requires cutting open the hull).
     
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    if the RN pays a quarter of a bil pounds Jul 1, 2017, which it doesn't have, considering it can't afford for example sea-mines Apr 5, 2017 and OTH AShMs Nov 11, 2016
    but the RN at the same time talks deep strike off two carriers using STOVL aircraft
    Mein Gott!!
     
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