PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)

ladioussupp

Junior Member
It seems that a Philippine Air Force Fokker was lased by a PLAN frigate.

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"An Air Force Fokker plane was challenged by a Chinese frigate near Subi Reef, aiming a powerful light as it flew over the disputed area," a Philippine air force official told Reuters, declining to be named because he was not allowed to talk to the press.
The second military officer, also declining to be named, told Reuters the plane was flying about 5,000 feet (1,500 meters) above a Chinese occupied reef, and was warned by the ship, through its radio, to stay away from the area.

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jkliz

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It seems that a Philippine Air Force Fokker was lased by a PLAN frigate.

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"An Air Force Fokker plane was challenged by a Chinese frigate near Subi Reef, aiming a powerful light as it flew over the disputed area," a Philippine air force official told Reuters, declining to be named because he was not allowed to talk to the press.
The second military officer, also declining to be named, told Reuters the plane was flying about 5,000 feet (1,500 meters) above a Chinese occupied reef, and was warned by the ship, through its radio, to stay away from the area.

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Wow..amazed he stuck around to be lased by the frigate...I would've started running the moment I identified the Type 054A....
 

I wonder

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This article sugests that the real reason why America is creating so much fuss about the South China Sea is because they do not want China to establish a safe haven for their boomers? which could threaten the American mainland.
So the issue for America is not so much about China encroaching on Vietnam or Philippian territory as it is about keeping America safe.


April 24, 2015 1:00 pm JST
Japan should be worried
Here's what China may be up to in the South China Sea
TETSURO KOSAKA, Nikkei senior staff writer

20150424_Japan_p3c_article_thumbnail.jpg

A Japanese P3C antisubmarine patrol aircraft

TOKYO -- China is pushing ahead with its artificial island building in the South China Sea, where it plans airstrips and other facilities.

Reports in Japan say the U.S. military is feeling a growing sense of urgency over China's aggresive island-making projects. But Japan should be feeling even more anxiety.

Many analysts say China is moving to secure seabed resources from around its artificial islets. But it could easily go further and even one day drive a military wedge between Japan and the U.S.

Lying at the very heart of the issue is the balance of nuclear power between the U.S. and China.

The decoupling goal

China lacks an effective submarine-launched ballistic missile system that would allow it to retaliate against a surprise nuclear attack.

20150424_china_military_ship_middle_320.jpg

A Chinese Xia-class nuclear-powered submarine (Kyodo photo)

It once developed and built a Xia-class nuclear-powered submarine meant to carry ballistic missiles, but the submersible turned out to be little more than a paper tiger.

With no nuclear deterrent to match the U.S., China is building new Jin-class nuclear-powered submarines. It apparently wants three such vessels, which it would arm with nuclear weapons, by 2020 and deploy one of them in the South China Sea.

China would also need to deploy troops to protect a Jin-class sub in the South China Sea.

In addition, the country is looking to someday deploy multiple aircraft carriers, apparently to boost its defense capabilities in the South China Sea and prevent U.S. fighter jets and patrol aircraft from getting close to the region.

In the event of a military contingency, however, an aircraft carrier could be attacked and sunk by enemy forces. So China could be thinking of the airstrips it is laying down on its man-made islets as unsinkable aircraft carriers.

China's submarine-launched ballistic missile system will not pose an immediate threat to the U.S. because the number of missiles China could deploy remains limited, as does their range.

But the situation will change if China's aggressive building in the South China Sea continues unchecked.

China will make progress in turning the South China Sea into its own military sanctuary; it is already denying access to the region by, among other tactics, deploying Russian-made high-performance air-defense missiles and other weapons on islands.

If it gains the ability to fire more missiles from submarines in the South China Sea -- and obtain longer-range missile technology -- it could aim those projectiles at the U.S. mainland.

The U.S. might then hesitate to defend Japan, which could suddenly find itself out from under the U.S.'s nuclear umbrella.

With the U.S. and Japan thus militarily decoupled, China would then be able to threaten Japan or encroach on Japanese territory, with the U.S. playing the role of paper tiger.

This is why Japan should be feeling anxious.

Submarine hunter

The U.S. military has recently started stepping up warning and surveillance activities in the region in partnership with Japan and Southeast Asian countries that have long-running territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea.

Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force is one of the world's best submarine hunters. Even the U.S. military acknowledges the force's superior antisubmarine patrolling capabilities.

The U.S. will likely continue to face tough restrictions on defense spending in the foreseeable future. It would be quite natural for the U.S. to ask Japan's Self-Defense Forces to step up their participation in the warning and surveillance activities.

Japan, which has ruled out nuclear arms for itself, has no choice but to join the U.S. in keeping an eye on what China is up to in the South China Sea -- and trying to prevent the country from making the body of water its own military sanctuary.

The Self-Defense Forces will probably need to set up a second overseas operating base, this time somewhere in the South China Sea; its first is in Djibouti, a small African country along the Gulf of Aden, that allows Japanese forces to engage in anti-piracy operations in waters off Somalia.

The base could land in Singapore or the Philippines. Given that Manila, like Tokyo and Washington, is deeply concerned about China's military buildup in the area, the Philippines is more likely.

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ahojunk

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April 20, 2015 - The Philippines Army showed reporters a series of aerial photographs taken on February 19 of the Spratly islands in the South China Sea.

These images show the progress of construction progress on China's islands.

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This article sugests that the real reason why America is creating so much fuss about the South China Sea is because they do not want China to establish a safe haven for their boomers? which could threaten the American mainland.
So the issue for America is not so much about China encroaching on Vietnam or Philippian territory as it is about keeping America safe.


April 24, 2015 1:00 pm JST
Japan should be worried
Here's what China may be up to in the South China Sea
TETSURO KOSAKA, Nikkei senior staff writer

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Wow, this entire article is China threat conjecture and a particularly outlandish one at that.
 

delft

Brigadier
This article sugests that the real reason why America is creating so much fuss about the South China Sea is because they do not want China to establish a safe haven for their boomers? which could threaten the American mainland.
So the issue for America is not so much about China encroaching on Vietnam or Philippian territory as it is about keeping America safe.


April 24, 2015 1:00 pm JST
Japan should be worried
Here's what China may be up to in the South China Sea
TETSURO KOSAKA, Nikkei senior staff writer

20150424_Japan_p3c_article_thumbnail.jpg

A Japanese P3C antisubmarine patrol aircraft

TOKYO -- China is pushing ahead with its artificial island building in the South China Sea, where it plans airstrips and other facilities.

Reports in Japan say the U.S. military is feeling a growing sense of urgency over China's aggresive island-making projects. But Japan should be feeling even more anxiety.

Many analysts say China is moving to secure seabed resources from around its artificial islets. But it could easily go further and even one day drive a military wedge between Japan and the U.S.

Lying at the very heart of the issue is the balance of nuclear power between the U.S. and China.

The decoupling goal

China lacks an effective submarine-launched ballistic missile system that would allow it to retaliate against a surprise nuclear attack.

20150424_china_military_ship_middle_320.jpg

A Chinese Xia-class nuclear-powered submarine (Kyodo photo)

It once developed and built a Xia-class nuclear-powered submarine meant to carry ballistic missiles, but the submersible turned out to be little more than a paper tiger.

With no nuclear deterrent to match the U.S., China is building new Jin-class nuclear-powered submarines. It apparently wants three such vessels, which it would arm with nuclear weapons, by 2020 and deploy one of them in the South China Sea.

China would also need to deploy troops to protect a Jin-class sub in the South China Sea.

In addition, the country is looking to someday deploy multiple aircraft carriers, apparently to boost its defense capabilities in the South China Sea and prevent U.S. fighter jets and patrol aircraft from getting close to the region.

In the event of a military contingency, however, an aircraft carrier could be attacked and sunk by enemy forces. So China could be thinking of the airstrips it is laying down on its man-made islets as unsinkable aircraft carriers.

China's submarine-launched ballistic missile system will not pose an immediate threat to the U.S. because the number of missiles China could deploy remains limited, as does their range.

But the situation will change if China's aggressive building in the South China Sea continues unchecked.

China will make progress in turning the South China Sea into its own military sanctuary; it is already denying access to the region by, among other tactics, deploying Russian-made high-performance air-defense missiles and other weapons on islands.

If it gains the ability to fire more missiles from submarines in the South China Sea -- and obtain longer-range missile technology -- it could aim those projectiles at the U.S. mainland.

The U.S. might then hesitate to defend Japan, which could suddenly find itself out from under the U.S.'s nuclear umbrella.

With the U.S. and Japan thus militarily decoupled, China would then be able to threaten Japan or encroach on Japanese territory, with the U.S. playing the role of paper tiger.

This is why Japan should be feeling anxious.

Submarine hunter

The U.S. military has recently started stepping up warning and surveillance activities in the region in partnership with Japan and Southeast Asian countries that have long-running territorial disputes with China in the South China Sea.

Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Force is one of the world's best submarine hunters. Even the U.S. military acknowledges the force's superior antisubmarine patrolling capabilities.

The U.S. will likely continue to face tough restrictions on defense spending in the foreseeable future. It would be quite natural for the U.S. to ask Japan's Self-Defense Forces to step up their participation in the warning and surveillance activities.

Japan, which has ruled out nuclear arms for itself, has no choice but to join the U.S. in keeping an eye on what China is up to in the South China Sea -- and trying to prevent the country from making the body of water its own military sanctuary.

The Self-Defense Forces will probably need to set up a second overseas operating base, this time somewhere in the South China Sea; its first is in Djibouti, a small African country along the Gulf of Aden, that allows Japanese forces to engage in anti-piracy operations in waters off Somalia.

The base could land in Singapore or the Philippines. Given that Manila, like Tokyo and Washington, is deeply concerned about China's military buildup in the area, the Philippines is more likely.

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In 1871 it made sense for the new German empire to annex part of France, in WWII France industrial capacity made a valuable contribution to Germany in its war against the Soviet Union. But under the current economic/military circumstances it does not make sense for China to acquire parts or all of Japan by war even if all other countries in the World were to remain militarily neutral. Talk about a nuclear umbrella is literally madness.
 

joshuatree

Captain
China will make progress in turning the South China Sea into its own military sanctuary; it is already denying access to the region by, among other tactics, deploying Russian-made high-performance air-defense missiles and other weapons on islands.

It did? Which system? :eek:

However, I can see the possibility in using some of these bases as a sub pen because of its close proximity to the deep portions of SCS such as Subi and Fiery.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
This article sugests that the real reason why America is creating so much fuss about the South China Sea is because they do not want China to establish a safe haven for their boomers? which could threaten the American mainland.

So the issue for America is not so much about China encroaching on Vietnam or Philippian territory as it is about keeping America safe.
Except the Chinese already have that type of Haven.

They have the Bo Hai and the Hunag Hai Seas.

I personally think that the South China Sea is a critical part of their Maritime Silk Road, and that the huge investment there is mush more about firmly securing the SLOCs through there that are an intrinsic part of it.

Now, if they do, will they send boomers there on patrol too? Of course they will.

But they already have safe havens for their boomers.
 
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However, I can see the possibility in using some of these bases as a sub pen because of its close proximity to the deep portions of SCS such as Subi and Fiery.

Maybe for SSK's to extend their operational ranges further from mainland China but not so much for nuclear subs. These islands will have to be supplied from the mainland and supplies for any subs based here will just add to the logistical burden. Starting out from these islands rather than mainland China also means less time/distance being hidden before leaving friendly waters and therefore more easily tracked?
 

broadsword

Brigadier
But this brings up the age old problem of defending the forward base, except that in this case it is a small group of islands. To the enemy, they become easier targets because they are far away from the mainland, resupply can be easily cut off, they are easy to surround and saturate with bombs and missiles.
 
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