PLAN SCS Bases/Islands/Vessels (Not a Strategy Page)
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Jura The idiot
General
and here's what I saw a moment ago (without leaving the mall where I'm surfing the web
Yrch, nor anyone else, has not replied here. In effect, he has walked away and ignored the challenge.
As I predicted.
I must be very lucky to be able to guess correctly so often.
I encountered this often in China. When they did not want to talk about something (or realised I understood them), they would simply close their mouth, or turn and walk away, or declare by fiat that the discussion was over.
What they do not understand is that silence and omission communicate just as clearly.
I miss playing poker with them. Easy money.
solarz
Brigadier
joshuatree
Captain
I read this banter between you and Yrch and figure best to not chime in as it seemed there was some personal discussion going on (the whole tick tock thing). But since you've opened it up to "anyone else", I would say your generalization and predictions are wrong. A few of your encounters does not represent a billion plus people.
Your challenge is easily accepted. The reclamation done by China in the SCS features would be environmentally wrong but given the political climate and the attempts by rival claimants to play the victim card, became a necessity if China did not want to be caught flat-footed. Having executed large scale reclamation at this point, the next best thing to do now is to pursue a green track and foster rebuilding of the reef environment via artificial reef solutions. I've more than one posted that thought.
Having said that, I think the challenge you presented isn't on a level playing field here. As I recall, you're not from the US so it's always easier to admit to mistakes of someone else where you have little skin involved. I believe your affinity lies with Vietnam. So in line with your challenge -
- Do you believe it is a mistake for Vietnam to be quietly and steadily occupying little spits of features; and in some cases, merely putting the equivalent of an offshore oil rig on top of underwater features which only exacerbates the tension in the SCS?
- Do you believe it is a mistake for Vietnam to be reclaiming on features which in principle is also damaging the pristine environment and creating the political atmosphere where other claimants will feel compelled to "keep up with the Jones" and outdo the next guy?
- Vietnam built light houses and reclaimed on features post Declaration on Code of Conduct, do you acknowledge it has violated the spirit of the declaration which is no different than China?
- Vietnam's current claims and occupation are not in line with UNCLOS. So despite it's govt saying it respects and subscribes to UNCLOS, do you acknowledge it is the same double talk as other claimants?
Well, some can admit wrongs.
Solarz:
The difference is in scale. China has paved over entire reefs, not cut down a few trees or reclaimed a small area. The area destroyed is 100x that of Vietnam or Johnston Reef. 3500 acres vs a few dozen.
But, and I know you cannot comprehend this, you will excuse this as everyone here does with all things China.
Oh wait, JoshuaTree did:
The reclamation done by China in the SCS features *would* be environmentally wrong but given the political climate and the attempts by rival claimants to play the victim card, became a necessity if China did not want to be caught flat-footed.
You could not state that is IS wrong. Ah well. Then you excuse it.
The age old theme. China, never wrong, never apologises always with the excuses.
As far as where my first passport is from that is the USA.
I live in Asia, after living in China many years.
I also had (they went to tea with the GJAQB) several friends in the CCP.
So when you criticise me for not knowing what I am talking about, best rethink.
In any event this is not a strategy page.
Let us return to the high resolution photos of China destroying formerly pristine coral ecosystems.
Solarz:
The difference is in scale. China has paved over entire reefs, not cut down a few trees or reclaimed a small area. The area destroyed is 100x that of Vietnam or Johnston Reef. 3500 acres vs a few dozen.
But, and I know you cannot comprehend this, you will excuse this as everyone here does with all things China.
Oh wait, JoshuaTree did:
The reclamation done by China in the SCS features *would* be environmentally wrong but given the political climate and the attempts by rival claimants to play the victim card, became a necessity if China did not want to be caught flat-footed.
You could not state that is IS wrong. Ah well. Then you excuse it.
The age old theme. China, never wrong, never apologises always with the excuses.
As far as where my first passport is from that is the USA.
I live in Asia, after living in China many years.
I also had (they went to tea with the GJAQB) several friends in the CCP.
So when you criticise me for not knowing what I am talking about, best rethink.
In any event this is not a strategy page.
Let us return to the high resolution photos of China destroying formerly pristine coral ecosystems.
joshuatree
Captain
You solicited responses from anyone else. I did and asked you a few questions in return that are directly related to your challenge and to the ongoing dispute. So far, I'm seeing what you described below from yourself. This is exactly the type of behavior that only validates the actions taken by China in this dispute even though it's not the most ideal actions.